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The Taiwan Dilemna

 
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Euanv



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:54 am    Post subject: The Taiwan Dilemna Reply with quote

Hi

I wonder if i could just get a little advice please?

I'm a newly qualified teacher and i've decided to move to Taiwan. Tainan to be precise.

I've been offered a job with Shane there in a newly opened franchise school (i.e, not directly run by Shane management). I'll be the first and only teacher there as the school grows.

I wanted to talk to the school owner, but Shane seem reluctant, presumably because they don't want them to offer me work directly.

I'd be guaranteed around 50,000 NTS for the first 6 months, which works out at 80 hours teaching, this is guaranteed through a teaching hours bank.

So all that sounds fine.

However,

I was speaking to a guy already in Taiwan who suggested that the best thing to do would be to come to Taiwan on a visitors visa and try to look for work myself.

This would mean I can have a look around and hopefully find something i like before accepting.

I just wanted to ask if anyone else has had experience of doing this?

Bearing in mind i don't yet have any teaching experience (apart from Cambridge Celta) and I will be disorientated when i arrive...

I have some savings so i think i can probably afford to live in Taiwan for a few months without work...

Sorry if this topic has been covered to death already.

Thanks for reading

Euan
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creztor



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shane are OK, but they do seem a little uptight, at least from my own experience. I personally would say come here and work with Shane. In the first year you'll get a good idea of how schools are run, and this means you'll know how most other schools are run and what to expect.
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Euanv



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your response creztor, do you know if there will be any problem changing jobs when it will be Shane who sponsor my residency card?

Thanks
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Dr_Zoidberg



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with changing jobs is getting a new employer to sponsor your residency BEFORE your current employer terminates his.

It's common for contracts to demand 3 months notice of termination (in addition to a sum of money) and Shane is no exception, while Taiwanese employers invariably do little forward planning. In other words, anyone who is interested in hiring you will want you to start immediately, but you will be required to serve out 3 months notice at your current job.

You could, of course, simply get your new ARC first and then walk off your current job without notice. However, you could lose a considerable amount of pay (depending when payday falls). And let's face it, would you want to work for someone who would hire that kind of employee?

I'm not saying it's impossible to make the transition from one employer to another without having to do a visa run (I've done it), but it is difficult.
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beenthere96-2005



Joined: 01 Aug 2010
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Location: St Louis

PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:35 pm    Post subject: Bad Advice Reply with quote

You need to pay your dues and learn from your experience at your first school.

While they may be uptight - ELSI in Korea was pretty uptight in my case as a first year teacher, you have to start somewhere.

Giving up a job with a reputable school in order to wing it as a newbie just wouldn't be a wise thing to do.

It's amazing what our "friends," give us for advice.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion, put your one year in at Shane and then move on if you want to stay longer.

Of course I really wonder why people want to work in Taiwan unless they are married to a local. August 27 and then I will no longer be on this island.
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Shimokitazawa



Joined: 16 Aug 2009
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Location: Saigon, Vietnam

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
In my opinion, put your one year in at Shane and then move on if you want to stay longer.

Of course I really wonder why people want to work in Taiwan unless they are married to a local. August 27 and then I will no longer be on this island.


JZer,

Congratulations! I did so a couple of years ago, although I've been back to Taipei a few times for short visits. I have no regrets - especially after having visited a few times in the last two years. It confirmed that I'd made the right decision. It's still as dirty and chaotic as it ever was.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am moving to Beijing. Wish me luck on finding a non-teaching job in Beijing.
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Well, I am moving to Beijing. Wish me luck on finding a non-teaching job in Beijing.


Ah, I see. Well, good luck. However, I heard Beijing is pretty dirty too - yellow sand, I seem to recall hearing something about. As with anywhere, I've talked to be people who either hate and love living in Beijing.
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Timberdan



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked for shance franchises. They're ok, depends on your manager, but i've never had any problems with them. As others have suggested, give them one year and then from talking to other people you might be able to find something better. Trying to do so in a few weeks in a country you don't understand may lead to a bad choice.
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isitts



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: The Taiwan Dilemna Reply with quote

Euanv wrote:
Hi

I wonder if i could just get a little advice please?

I'm a newly qualified teacher and i've decided to move to Taiwan. Tainan to be precise.

I've been offered a job with Shane there in a newly opened franchise school (i.e, not directly run by Shane management). I'll be the first and only teacher there as the school grows.

I wanted to talk to the school owner, but Shane seem reluctant, presumably because they don't want them to offer me work directly.

I'd be guaranteed around 50,000 NTS for the first 6 months, which works out at 80 hours teaching, this is guaranteed through a teaching hours bank.

So all that sounds fine.

However,

I was speaking to a guy already in Taiwan who suggested that the best thing to do would be to come to Taiwan on a visitors visa and try to look for work myself.

This would mean I can have a look around and hopefully find something i like before accepting.

I just wanted to ask if anyone else has had experience of doing this?

Bearing in mind i don't yet have any teaching experience (apart from Cambridge Celta) and I will be disorientated when i arrive...

I have some savings so i think i can probably afford to live in Taiwan for a few months without work...

Sorry if this topic has been covered to death already.

Thanks for reading

Euan


Shane is a good school. I�d stick with your first option, especially if they�re giving you a work visa. Plus the guaranteed salary for 6 months.

That said, bear in mind that it will be really difficult being the first teacher at a new school. That�s how it was for me when I was at Shane. The guarantee hours are fine if they have classes for you from the get-go. But if you don�t have classes to start out with, they can really pile them on as you�re getting towards the end of the 6-month period so they can break even (thinking about it now, it probably wasn�t that bad, but as a new teacher, 30 hours was quite a load for a five day week).

Thing is, you also have to hope that the school finds regular classes so when the guarantee period is up, you have something stable. But that might not be an issue.

My boss was good guy (albeit a businessman) and my go-between was a really good teacher and gave me lots of support when I was starting out. I hadn�t talked with them before taking the job. I was placed by a recruiter.

I�ve heard advice not to work at a brand new school, but, hey someone�s gotta do it. All in all I liked it there.

Shane has a good simple methodology, so it�s pretty simple to plan those classes (for kids). The adults are a little less structured by Shane�s curriculum, but you have the CELTA, so you should have no trouble.

If you have trouble or don�t have much support, you can ask to observe other Shane classes at other schools to get ideas (or at least this was possible in Taipei. But Tainan may have those options, too). Anyway, it really helps to get ideas from others I think.

Long story short, take the Shane job and then start looking for other jobs if you want. Much easier that way. You�re at least guaranteed a salary for 6 months. Why show up there with no job?

You can post more questions here or pm me if you have any questions. Good luck!
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