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askiptochina



Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:27 am    Post subject: Wow, 2.5 hours at ICBC Bank!! Reply with quote

You would think Beijing and Shanghai would be the two cities prepared to open accounts for foreigners. Apparently, having a first, middle, and last name causes so much confusion with at least ICBC Bank they have to call 10 different managers to find out if it is ok to open an account with three names (three parts of a name). They saw 3 words in my passport, but I only signed it with my first and last like anyone would do. They didn't know what to make of it.

Then, when they finally got the go ahead to open an account, they ran into another problem. They didn't know how to enter my names into the computer. So, they had me sign my last name first, and then use my first and middle name as my last name.

After all that, they processed the wrong card and said something about coming back tomorrow Razz
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Old Surrender



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Location: The World's Largest Tobacco Factory

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently lost my bank card and had to get a new one. Everything went smoothly until they saw my name. I filled out the form with my middle name, my uni (who opened the account for me) omitted my middle name.

Long story short, two hours and 4 employees later I get my card.

Middle names blow minds here.
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tacoeater



Joined: 03 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be little surprise that Chinese law requires that the application (name in this case) match your legal ID - in this case your passport. It is a requirement that your name in your passport matches your bank account. Why are you so surprised?
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jibbs



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Surrender wrote:
I recently lost my bank card and had to get a new one.

Long story short, two hours and 4 employees later I get my card.


You got your new card on the first visit after losing the old one? I was told to come back in a week for the new one, unable to withdraw money for that week. Didn't know any banks would do it right away, or same day at least. But my school told me they can only use Bank of China for pay deposits for me.

Banks are a real hassle here for whatever reason. Try receiving money from another country. Takes an hour if all goes smoothly.
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shazam! that's very many time!

i spent forty-five minutes at BofC when i first arrived. took that long
to convince them that foreigners could indeed open accounts.
another ten minutes to explain what type of account i wanted.
once that was approved, they informed me they couldn't open
new accounts, because that branch was to close in a couple
weeks. it was then i realized i had truly returned to china.

walked a few blocks to the construction bank. nice manager
helped me open a savings account. walked out in about ten
minutes with a shiny, new ATM card. it was a few months later
that i learned that this particular branch could not accept SWIFT
transactions, that i would have to open an account at the
main branch.

it's like the taste of soylent green...it varies from person to person.
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Silent Shadow



Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tacoeater wrote:
There should be little surprise that Chinese law requires that the application (name in this case) match your legal ID - in this case your passport. It is a requirement that your name in your passport matches your bank account. Why are you so surprised?


Ok, but the issue is why does it have to take hours to sort out?
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therock



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have any of you girls tried to open a bank account in the UK? - now that's jumping hoops.
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Johnny_Utah



Joined: 24 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jibbs wrote:
Old Surrender wrote:
I recently lost my bank card and had to get a new one.

Long story short, two hours and 4 employees later I get my card.


You got your new card on the first visit after losing the old one? I was told to come back in a week for the new one, unable to withdraw money for that week. Didn't know any banks would do it right away, or same day at least. But my school told me they can only use Bank of China for pay deposits for me.

Banks are a real hassle here for whatever reason. Try receiving money from another country. Takes an hour if all goes smoothly.


The banks will all give you a new card the same day, you just have to insist. It's a 15 yuan fee, and they reach under the counter and pull out a new card. I have lost my bank card multiple times.
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jibbs



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I did not realize that, though two people I know waited a week (believe one even said ten days). And asking Chinese, been told it's the rule to wait a week. Guess I really should have insisted though as they knew I was broke and understood I would need to borrow cash from somewhere for the week. I think they were concerned it was probably stolen as I mentioned and maybe somehow the thief figured out the PIN so they decided to freeze the account and suggested I changed the PIN. No big deal really though I was not pleased at the time, but in a good way it forced me to live a really cheap week. Good to spend less than usual I guess.
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chinaamber



Joined: 06 Jun 2006
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Location: Guiyang

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had my BOC card stolen I was told I had to wait a week as I had too much money in my account. I also could not take any money over the counter as my passport was with the PSB. A week later went back with my passport, was told it was not acceptable as I had opened my account with my old (expired) passport.

After 30 minutes involving a lot of crying and gesticulating on my part (as mentioned, the account had a lot of money in it. I had also been borrowing money for a week as could not access said cash) they decided I could close the account with the new passport.

I ma now a customer of Construction Bank and it has been plain sailing.

The name thing is infuriating. Yes, it should match the ID but along with that staff should be trained and systems able to accept the names if accounts are offered for overseas customers. Oh, wait, TIC Wink .
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chinanoodles



Joined: 13 May 2011
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how many banks in your home countries could open an account for a customer in Chinese characters or understand that the family name is first even if it's written in pinyin.

...but yeah...banks here are the opposite of fun.

My biggest issue lately is that the branches of a bank do not communicate. If I relocate I have to open a new account at a local branch and go through the usual headaches again.
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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Chinese people I know in the USA (and that's not many!) simply move their family name to the back of the line as is customary. And what Chinese characters? Those are reserved for emails sent back home and restaurant menus for "flavor". Everyone there uses pinyin instead.

I'm looking at my US Passport right now and it has my family name first followed by my given name and middle name. Isn't that how it's done here? Many people I know here have three names: Hu Jin Tao, for example (not that I know the man personally). Hu being his family name and Jin Tao being the other. Granted, his family and close friends probably call him "Jin Tao" and my friends don't call me "Kevin XXXXX" (well, my mom did when she was mad at me!). But the same name pattern is there.

Also, many documents in the US call for family name first followed by given names. I guess the biggest issue was that the OP signed his given name first and then family name. Ah, a classic mistake! But then again, I do that all the time here and have yet had any negative consequences. Which again proves of the lack of consistency in procedures here.
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askiptochina



Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess the biggest issue was that the OP signed his given name first and then family name.


To be exact, my school went with me to one branch and they said "The machine is broken". In this case, nothing was signed.

We went to a bigger ICBC bank, this is when the phone calls happened. Supervisor after supervisor kept opening doors like a Get Smart episode telling the school they have to call "one more person".

I didn't sign anything until the the school told me, "Sign your name like the passport has" which was after all this waiting. If they said this at the first branch instead of saying the machine was broken I could have done that in 5 seconds. I wonder who they called that said, "Have him sign his name exactly as it shows in the passport".

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It is a requirement that your name in your passport matches your bank account. Why are you so surprised?


As stated to the other poster, they said nothing about me signing it or matching it in some way. It was the 3 or 4 tellers and those looking over, as well as the 10 "other people" they had to call who were surprised and didn't know how to handle it. If they wanted me to add a 4th name I would have gladly done so, if it meant I could have gotten out of there earlier.
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently do all my banking with a small branch of Shanghai Pudong in Beijing.

I have no trouble transferring dollars to the UK. (My salary is paid in US$)

I have no trouble exchanging dollars to RMB.

I have no trouble withdrawing US$

Last year I broke my bank card - went to the bank with my passport (you quickly learn to take this with you every time you go to the bank) and walked out 15 minutes later, new card in hand.

Three years ago I had to get a new passport (old one expired). I went to my local ICBC which I had been using for 2 - 3 years to change the ID for my account. They said I had to go back to the branch where I opened the account, and gave me three different documents to fill out. I went to SPDB, gave them my bank card and both passports - details changed on the computer straight away - no forms to complete - in and out of the bank in 10 minutes.

Over the years I've banked with BOC, ICBC, CCB, and China Merchants Bank. By far the best service I've had is from SPDB and China Merchants. I wouldn't even consider going back to any of the others.
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sainthood



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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My non-standard English name is similar in form to Leonardo da Vinci... think of the problems I get!! (especially since it's not Italian...)
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