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Whom shall I say is calling?

 
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: Whom shall I say is calling? Reply with quote

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ls650



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought 'whom' was used as an adjective clause connector only when it doesn't act as the subject of the clause - otherwise you use 'who'.
Ex) She was the woman who I loved.
Ex) She was the woman whom loved me.

Or do I have it wrong?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:42 pm    Post subject: Hoo and Hoom Reply with quote

Dear Is650,
In the two exmples you have, the "proper grammar" would be exactly the opposite:

e.g. She was the woman whom I loved.
e.g. She was the woman who loved me.

And what's strange is your examples contradict your first sentence:



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I thought 'whom' was used as an adjective clause connector only when it doesn't act as the subject of the clause - otherwise you use 'who'.


In your first example, the "who" is the object of the clause (the subject is "I"); in your second example, the "whom" is the subject (of "loved").

Personally, I think "whom" is pretty much on its way out - the only possibile exceptions' being when "whom" follows the preposition as its object:

e.g. To Whom It May Concern:

But even in such cases, I suspect "whom" may well disappear from the English language in the not-too-distant future. So, I'm not a stickler for
students' having to use "whom" as a object relative pronoun / "who" as a subject relative pronoun.
Regards.
John
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