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[snacksturbo]

Ok this is a lot to process so try to keep up.

I am working for a school, until August 31st of this year. I am changing jobs, going to a new school in the same city. The new school is wanting me to cancel my contract so they can begin the process for the new experts certificate. I cant do this because i will loose out on my summer pay. The new school also said that I would have to go to HK to get a new Z visa and then come back into China. Even if they begin the process after August 31st. I have been in this city for the last 5 years, and i have never had to go to HK for a z visa. I don't get what the problem is, or why all of a sudden i have to go to HK. I know other provinces wouldn't have this trouble, and yet some others do. After 5 years of dealing with this sh*t, it is getting really old. My old school doesn't want to give me my Employment verification form, my experts certificate or my residence permit. They have said they wont give me the Employment verification form until August 31st. So I will tell them i wont give them their exams unless i get my paperwork and see what happens. I have been in contact with other employers and they seem not to be perturbed with my current situation. I am in Guangxi Province Nanning City.

What i want to know is this: What is the issue with the experts certificate? Why would they want me to go to HK for a new Z visa? Why, for the last 5 years everything has been fine, and now it isn't?

I am looking for good solid advice and experience, I am not looking for you gentlemen to start ripping on my post.

Thank you.

[xjgirl]

yeah man,happened me last year, i hear ya

after 6 years i finally had to go get a z-visa

just be thankful they're not making u go back to your country of origin

actually if i were u i would double check that you don't have to...

[GuestBob]

[Lobster]

OK, there are loads of problems with your new employer, and you should be having serious doubts about working for them. There are also some issues with your current school, but it seems more a misunderstanding.

The first issue is their requirement that you cancel your existing contract. This is completely unnecessary and will only aggravate your current employer. You must complete the contract and receive your summer pay and release form. Being under a current contract in no way prevents you from now signing a new contract with a start date after your current contract ends.

With the new contract, your new employer should get your FEC extension and changeover, and also apply for your RP renewal there (you didn't tell us when your current RP expires). If you've been following other threads on this board, you'll note that getting a new Z visa in HK has become more difficult, if not impossible. People have been forced to return to their home countries, get the Letter of Invitation, and go through the whole rigamarole. You don't need that!

Sorry, but these new people seem like a bunch of twits for wanting you to do this.

Your old place won't give you the release form until contract end. This is understandable. They won't give you your FEC, now what's with that? You should have had it in your possession all along. The smart FT tells the FAO that they need it to exchange money and never gives it back. Doesn't anyone read the information on the FEC? About how it shall be used as ID and to exchange money? That's why the teacher should have it. It's the teacher's property, not the school's. You have to return it at contract's end unless you are going to a new school in the same province.

Now your issue. Don't try to play hardball with exams in a case where you are clearly in the wrong. You finish out your contract, politely explain that you will be working in the same province and that you require the FEC and Release Letter on completion of the contract on Aug. 31.

Do not let the new school force you into taking a loss or creating bad blood between you and the old school. Perhaps the are trying to cause trouble for your current school and are using you. Tell them you expect them to jump through the hoops to renew the FEC and RP in-country, and if they can't do it you must seek other opportunities.

RED

They don't want to give you your RP? You mean they have your passport too? This defies belief. It's yours and not theirs. They also have no easy way to have it revoked if you don't give them possession of your passport..

[snacksturbo]

The RP expires on August 31st.

The powers that be will NOT renew a FEC or RP in this province. It has been tried before and flat denied. They have,however, had to get a tourist visa and then given a residence permit. I thought this was totally illegal! This happened to me last year.

Further information: I have a signed contract with the NEW school. I informed them i will not go to HK to get a visa. (i knew about the troubles there) I told them if they can't get it done then the contract has to be voided. What I think is best now, would be to just change provinces. Let this signed contract go....Maybe i can tell them i failed my physical or something. Then i am free to get the (H E double toothpick) out of this province.

Thoughts?

[xjgirl]

sounds good,

but every other province may also send u to hong kong for a z-visa

i know, Hunan and Guangdong will definitely
Guangdong may even refuse you and tell you you have to go back to your country of origin

All the same the 31st of August to around the end of sept is a great time to snatch a good job

[Miles Smiles]

Run.

[Lobster]

I'd say that trying to work in a province that refuses FEC and RP renewals is more of a headache than it's worth. I'd check the veracity of this claim with other FTs you know. If the new employer cannot get you your new FEC and RP by the time the contract is to take effect, you are not eligible to work and the contract is void without penalty.

A temp tourist visa that can be converted to a RP isn't illegal, it's just a hassle. If the gov't is doing it for you it's not illegal, and it's considered a stopgap measure until all the documents required for the RP are acquired and processed. I had this done a couple of years back.

Warning to others: Never get into a contract that has the contract and RP expire on the same day. You need at least a couple of weeks to sort things out before you have to leave the country. If the school wants to cheat you, you'll have no time to stay around and argue your case. The actual end date should be in an addendum, as the real contract end date may determine the expiry date of the RP.

RED

[sui jin]

A very confusing situation , so I may have mis-understood.....
but the problem seems be that your contract and RP expiry dates are the same, so the new employer has no time to do all the FEC /RP paperwork.

Why not ask your old school to help you get a L visa ten day extension ......then if the new school says they can get you an RP from this L visa (without the pesky Z visa), and the school is reputable, believe them.
If a school says it can do this, then it's not illegal.

I have had this situation 3 times, in Guangxi, Jiangxi and Jiangsu Provinces.
(in fact I have never had a Z visa, in 4 years here, always converting a L visa into an RP, or from one RP to another). But my employer was always a university, and universities probably have more clout at the PSB/FE Bureau.

[shoulderdocca]

[snacksturbo]

I have talked to two other employers in Guangdong and Hunan provinces. They stated to me that they would have "no problems" getting my FEC and RP, and without me having to go to HK.

I think it is time to run to another province, or out of China.

[shoulderdocca]

[choudoufu]

your school is going to pay your salary over the summer?

awesome! and you don't gotta return?

i've got that in my contract, but only if i sign for an additional
year.....