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davidmsgi
Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: Inmigrante Familiar (FM-2) Visa - independent? |
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I am a permanent Mexican resident, my wife is a Mexican citizen, and she is the 'sponsor' of my Inmigrante Familiar Visa - an FM-2. I don't require the sponsorship of a school or an employer to retain my Visa, to live, or to work in Mexico.
I was told by Immigration that I have full rights to live and work anywhere in Mexico, and the work can be anything that is 'legal' - with no limitations. I can work as a company employee or as an 'independent'.
I have been working for a 'chain' language school for about 4 months.
I am a native-English speaker from the US, and a former business consultant to Fortune 500 US Corporations - but an ESL 'newbie'.
Immigration visited my school recently and 'busted' them for having too many foreign teachers - the limit by Mexican law is that only 10% of the teachers can be foreign. So I am now out of a job as the newest 'foreign' teacher hired. They had one 'foreigner' too many, and it was me.
I believe my FM-2 Visa allows me to work as an 'independent' teacher, or as a 'language consultant' and I can get receipts from Hacienda to give to a school, company, or 'client' whenever I get paid for my teaching 'services'. I was told to simply produce a letter outlining the terms of my teaching 'contract', price per class or hour, and an estimate of the number of hours per month. I give receipts to the school or employer when I am paid, and I am responsible to Hacienda for my own taxes.
Here's my question: If I am engaged as a 'contract' independent teacher or 'language consultant' by a school or company, but not hired as an employee of the school or company, do I 'count' as a foreign teacher or employee on their records with Immigration? If I go 'independent' does it solve the problem of my 'foreign teacher' status when I work for a school or company?
I want to be sure to be 'legal' in any future employment activities, whether they be employee or 'contract'. It seems that my school didn't share a few important employment details with me when I was hired.
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Enchilada Potosina

Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 344 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Inmigrante Familiar (FM-2) Visa - independent? |
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davidmsgi wrote: |
Here's my question: If I am engaged as a 'contract' independent teacher or 'language consultant' by a school or company, but not hired as an employee of the school or company, do I 'count' as a foreign teacher or employee on their records with Immigration? If I go 'independent' does it solve the problem of my 'foreign teacher' status when I work for a school or company? |
Easiest way to do it is to get your wife to register with hacienda to give recibos de honorarios. That way you're a supplier and not a foreign employee. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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If I am engaged as a 'contract' independent teacher or 'language consultant' by a school or company, but not hired as an employee of the school or company, do I 'count' as a foreign teacher or employee on their records with Immigration? |
My take on it is the following: if you contract your services- as an independent contractor as you're planning to do- you are not an employee; therefore, you are no part of any pool of employees that is limited by the 10% rule.
I actually didn't get Enchiladas' suggestion of involving your wife in it. You either have, or will need to get, an RFC. You will need to make an appt with hacienda to change your tax regime to empresorial o profesional. Following that, you'll become obligated to file monthly declarations, online, of your income and the taxes it generates, as a self-employed person (here, there is a flat tax-IETU- set at a minimum of about 17.5% for the self-employed teacher).
You will, at the same time, get set up so you can issue recibos de honorarios online, using an electronic signature. The tax office will help you with all of this, and even assist you to file the first few declarations.
It's bastante complicated but, there are detailed guides available at the hacienda website for how to do everything- provided you have the time to sort through it. A simpler solution would be to find an inexpensive accountant to work with: posters report 250 pesos as the minumum per month this may cost you (and that rate prevails here, as well).
There are many posters to this forum with experience with this process. |
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davidmsgi
Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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I don't want to use my wife as 'me' - that's what the school suggested, but it doesn't sound legit or legal to me. I have to sign all of my class and travel forms and all company documents as my wife - the school schedule shows my wife for my classes - it feels like I'm setting myself up for problems with Immigration by doing it that way.
It's hard to imagine that I would fare well if Immigration audited my school and asked to talk to my wife about her 'teaching' work - sounds like a disaster waiting to happen for us. Especially since my school has already been 'busted' and fined for violations - they must be under scrutiny. I worry that Immigration will visit the school, and interview each teacher. I would be the American guy named MARTHA - and probably be deported in short order.
I think going independent sounds much safer and legit.
I also think it's a black mark on my school's credibility that they asked me to 'become' my wife instead of suggesting a better legal option.
But thanks for the input. |
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Tretyakovskii wrote: |
I actually didn't get Enchiladas' suggestion of involving your wife in it. You either have, or will need to get, an RFC. You will need to make an appt with hacienda to change your tax regime to empresorial o profesional. Following that, you'll become obligated to file monthly declarations, online, of your income and the taxes it generates, as a self-employed person (here, there is a flat tax-IETU- set at a minimum of about 17.5% for the self-employed teacher).
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What she was suggesting was that the wife get the recibos. Most places don�t care WHOSE name the recibos are in, as long as you have them and someone pays the taxes. I know of a couple in which one is legal, the other isn�t, and they use the recibos of the legal half for both of their jobs. I have seen teachers ask each other to borrow a recibo so they can be legal while they are processing thier paperwork as well. But if you are already legal, it shouldn�t be a problem to get recibos. Realize, though, that as an independent contractor you get your pay and that�s all, no benefits like you would get, by law, in most jobs. |
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mejms
Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Posts: 390
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Get your recibos. It's not at all hard, considering that your legal work status. Get them in your name. Why not? Get work with your own clients rather than a school. By giving a school "recibos de honorario," you're making their lives easier but not helping yourself out too much. Sure you get to hold on to your mediocre job, but you excuse them from paying all the benefits required by law and you're going to need to file your own taxes or hire an accountant. All that for the same job and same pay you've had all along? |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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What she was suggesting was... |
I think you'll find that the esteemed Enchilada is a "he". Just saying... |
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notamiss

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 908 Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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All the above seconded. It's really common to lend recibos, and nobody minds, but there is no reason why you shouldn't get them in your own name. |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 1520 Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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notamiss wrote: |
All the above seconded. It's really common to lend recibos, and nobody minds, but there is no reason why you shouldn't get them in your own name. |
I know it's common to lend recibos, but sometimes the people who are asked to do the lending do mind. They end up owing taxes which have to be paid by the person who borrowed them. |
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notamiss

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 908 Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Isla Guapa wrote: |
I know it's common to lend recibos, but sometimes the people who are asked to do the lending do mind. They end up owing taxes which have to be paid by the person who borrowed them. |
Yes; the proper thing to be done is for this amount to be calculated, and the invoice-borrower to pay it to the invoice-lender. Of course this shouldn't matter if the lender and borrower are married to each other and operating their finances jointly, but as mentioned above, there's no reason for OP not to get the invoices in his own name. |
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Enchilada Potosina

Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 344 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
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What she was suggesting was... |
I think you'll find that the esteemed Enchilada is a "he". Just saying... |
Cheers Phil. I like to think of it as my wife and I having a company rather than me masquerading as her to get paid. It was just A LOT easier at the time as she was already registered with hacienda. She just had to change her status and get recibos printed up. May just be me but if there's an easier way to deal with tramites in Mexico, I'll usually opt for it. |
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
I think you'll find that the esteemed Enchilada is a "he". Just saying... |
Oh my! And here all this time I was thinking he was a she.......I wonder why? Anyway, thanks for the correction. |
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