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[johnslat]

I'm posting this by request:


This is a link to the just-opened website for JEC-PT:

http://jecpt.com/en/Default.aspx


"It's riddled with unintentionally false statements, half-truths and downright lies. A lot of the pictures are blatantly deceptive, too. The western website-design expert they hired for the job actually fell out with Cadre and quit over the website, due to all the BS they insisted on putting into it!"


Caveat emptor.

Regards,
John

[blackwellben]

[It's Scary!]

Hey! Shouldn't you be defending the University of Tabuk???

It's Scary!

[johnslat]

Dear blackwellben,

"I'm posting this by request:
The "accreditations" link raises an eyebrow..."check back later"
But statements such as
Quote:
It's riddled with unintentionally false statements, half-truths and downright lies. A lot of the pictures are blatantly deceptive, too. The western website-design expert they hired for the job actually fell out with Cadre and quit over the website, due to all the BS they insisted on putting into it!
aren't worthy of a teacher-- the statement is as vehement as it is vague, an invective without specifics.

Web pages typically promote as often as they inform, unfortunately. "Truth in advertising" implies its own irony.
Were the "lies" given specificity, their relevance and weight might be defined through correspondence with a rather large listing of staff.
The acrid tone of the anonymous poster reads like a power struggle that hasn't gone their way."

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So, what exactly are you saying here - don't believe this? This seems rather "specific" to me:

"The western website-design expert they hired for the job actually fell out with Cadre and quit over the website, due to all the BS they insisted on putting into it!"

Perhaps the anonymous poster could not satisfy your desire for more "specificity" without compromising his/her anonymity.

Do you work there? Do you have any first-hand knowledge about the situation there? Is this all speculation on your part? Do you have any specifics to contribute?


Caveat emptor.

Regards,
John

[scot47]

Having recently escaped from many years of Moorish servitude I would fain repeat my advice given elsewhere on this forum -

CHOOSE YOUR MASTERS WITH SOME CARE.

[blackwellben]

John

I've addressed what information is contained in the post-- BS? Riddled? A lot? blatantly deceptive?
I don't have had to work there. I don't have to "speculate" because I'm simply addressing the post.
An abundance of descriptors isn't information and that's what I've noted in my post.
I don't accept claims without basis, despite passion. Why have you?
The post is a colorful (to be kind) repetition of "Liar, liar, pants on fire!"
I tend to discredit information without basis. Citing the "falling out" of a webmaster is not offering a simple example, but citing support of a claim without example.
Do you know the difference?
Can you admit recognizing a difference when it's demonstrated?
I'm all for anonymity...by your reckoning, John, your poster is, of a large staff, the ONLY one telling "the truth" and any example, of a claimed many, will reveal them because...all the rest are liars?
Extraordinary

[johnslat]

Dear blackwellben,

I reposted a message from a poster who IS there. You are not there. Whether that poster is being factual will be up to the readers to decide (thus Caveat emptor.)

I welcome (and I'm sure the original writer does, too) your speculations - but they are, of course, just that: speculations from someone who has no first-hand knowledge of the situation.

"I tend to discredit information without basis."

I have to admit that I love the ambiguity of that sentence .

Regards,
John

[blackwellben]

[Sashadroogie]

I think Johnslat meant that there was ambiguity in what lacked basis: the information, or the discrediting. I could be wrong though...

[blackwellben]

[veiledsentiments]

From what I have seen over the years, all of these educational institution websites seem to be semi-fictional creations of what would be in some perfect world. As long as the photos show some actual students and facilities, I don't think I would accuse them of "lying." As long as they don't claim to be "accredited" and/or partnered by famous universities elsewhere when they are not, I would let the puff piece pass as wishful thinking.

I suspect that this is true to varying extents around the world... it's all about selling themselves to tuition paying students in many, if not most, cases.

VS

[johnslat]

Dear blackwellben,

Admittedly, I'm a bit surprised that the ambiguity puzzled you. I really did think it was obvious. The prepositional phrase could be either adjectival, modifying "information," (as I'm sure your intent was) or adverbial, modifying "discredit." But there I go again, projecting my notions on others.

Regarding this:

"John believes the AP having direct experience with the institution suffices and I'm arguing without some example of what the "lies" are, no meaningful information can be gleaned."

Not really - what I'm saying is that the report of someone who's actually there "on the ground" should probably be of more value to potential employees than the speculations of one who isn't there (and is using his/her own situation as a benchmark.) Like you, I have no way of knowing how much of that message is accurate, but I will say this: the poster is someone whose honesty I have a lot of respect for, based on previous postings. That, of course, is a purely subjective evaluation, though.

I agree that tolerance can come with age and experience - though unfortunately, that's not alway the case. However, for all I know the OP is old and experienced - and maybe even tolerant (though perhaps not so tolerant of blatant misrepresentations.)

What I will do is pass your remarks on to this person (since he/she can't view the Saudi forum) and, should I get a response, I'll post it here.

Regards,
John

[blackwellben]

[johnslat]

I've been asked to post this:

"All I can say to him/her is that the college is completely misrepresenting itself to all its applicants. It is advertising itself as a 'technical college' when, in fact, it has been solely an English language school from its very founding. There are a small number of math and IT classes, but these are just a tiny percentage of the students' timetable, which is almost entirely comprised of English classes. The pictures showing students working in electrical laboratories are purely fictitious, as JEC-PT has no such labs, and are intended to entice the unknowing through deliberate deception. This is one of the main reasons the former principal quit after just 1 month here!

And why is the language I use beneath that of a teacher? What's wrong with calling a spade a spade and using the term 'BS'? I did my master's degree in a top-ranked university, and some of my professors used far more colourful expletives than that in their lectures.

I'd just like to know why he's so keen on my post, and if he has a dog in this fight?"

Regards,
John

[scot47]

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