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askiptochina
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 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:06 am Post subject: Urgent Visa Issues |
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I have a residence permit until July 31 this year. I worked at a school in Shenyang until April this year. I came to Beijing and my current school and are are trying to get my visa transferred. Each time we wait for the right document, something comes up to put off the process.
Now I am being told I need to go back to Shenyang to sign something. Does this make sense? |
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champ
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Location: Kerla
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| When you left Shenyang,did you get a stamped release letter from your school?They need this letter if you are asking for a transfer. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:41 am Post subject: |
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No, I didn't get a stamped release letter. Each week we wait for that document, sometimes a different letter is sent and my current school takes it to Beijing. Beijing says it's not the right document.
Now, they want me to go for some reason. I don't think this is good, because I think the school in Shenyang told the Entry Exit bureau I just left. However, how does this help them?
They are pretending like there is no problem, but maybe that is only to make my stay longer. I am trying to piece this together.
Would it be ok for me to just transfer to a tourist visa now, or is it too late?
A) If Shenyang says I overstayed, then I am in trouble and there is no point in trying to get my current visa transferred to the new school.
B) If I can transfer to a tourist visa, I can just get a new visa. I have to do the process again and leave the country, but at least I will be on a tourist visa and legal.
Option B seems better unless this is routine for teachers to sign something. |
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champ
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: |
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You should have gotten it.It is a letter that states your name,PP number and that you have finished the contract with the school.Kind of no dues certificate from the school's HR.Not a big deal to get this letter.It should take 15 minutes or even less to prepare this.
My suggestion is ask your previous school to send it to you by EMS.It should take a day.Once you get this,transfer should not be a problem. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| champ wrote: |
You should have gotten it.It is a letter that states your name,PP number and that you have finished the contract with the school.Kind of no dues certificate from the school's HR.Not a big deal to get this letter.It should take 15 minutes or even less to prepare this.
My suggestion is ask your previous school to send it to you by EMS.It should take a day.Once you get this,transfer should not be a problem. |
We have been trying to do this since June. The person that normally does this is no longer working at the school. The owner is American and doesn't really know what documents are needed. This is the first time someone out of Shenyang has asked for a release sheet. When my current school calls the school in Shenyang they just say "we are just teachers, we don't know what is needed".
So please don't tell me I should have gotten it, I understand that now. But I am trying to deal with the situation as it is now. |
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champ
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Well,if things don't work out,then just leave the land of "happy everyday".
BTW,you don't need a thing to get this letter apart from your full name and PP number.They are throwing dust in your eyes... |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| champ wrote: |
Well,if things don't work out,then just leave the land of "happy everyday".
BTW,you don't need a thing to get this letter apart from your full name and PP number.They are throwing dust in your eyes... |
Again, I already can see that. So, it seems like they cancelled my work permit which would mean I am probably here illegally.
I don't think in that case I can just leave without some fine. So, I am trying to get more concrete advice from someone that might know about this thing. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| it seems like they cancelled my work permit |
Now, forgive me but it seems you've left the job without much of settling your contract termination agreement. In any case, a cancellation of such a document as work permit of a foreigner may need some legal steps from your employer. I say "may" because i am not a lawyer and we all know how laws here work.
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champ;
Well,if things don't work out,then just leave the land of "happy everyday". |
A bit harsh suggestion. You've been "happy everyday", haven't you?
The necessary letters, our OP may be talking about, have become a nuisance on mainland China. Some employers are unwilling to provide them, some are clueless which one it is, and some have just their staff that know little about what their FTs need. Then, there are the employers that do not have appropriate licensing to hire FTs, in which case they may not be able to provide the appropriate letters. Even some PSBs may not know which letter. But i gather Beijing is an exeption to that.
Lastly, i would guess it's the Foreign Experts Termination letter that the Beijing's office is looking for, but don't quote me on that. |
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champ
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Yes!I have been "happy everyday" and will be "happier everyday" and in a "good mood" too.
I wish you happy everyday.
By giving that free suggestion,I JUST wanted to say that CN is not the ONLY option where you can work. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:37 am Post subject: |
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igorG,
You are right in what you said. The owner of the Shenyang school and I are American. He never had to release another teacher to a school outside of Shenyang. Maybe the way they do it from Shenyang school to Shenyang school is simply handover the booklet that looks like a passport and report the change to another school.
In Beijing however, extra steps have to be taken I understand. What I need to know is do I need to go to Shenyang Entry Exit Bureau? They are telling me I do.
The owner and I have worked out things in the past. I had apartment issues with one lease, and we worked it out. Then, I got another, and I left 2 months into a 6 month lease. Another teacher moved in and I came to Beijing. The school later reimbursed me for apartment rent money after we negotiated an amount. Even though it was less than what I wanted, it was enough not to fight it (400 kuai extra they said for the electricity bill even though I checked it everyday). Supposedly, the teacher that did the hiring for me and left before I did is getting married in September. The school owner is supposed to attend the wedding and even though that teacher and I left under the basic argument we wanted more pay, we are in communication and helping each other out. I helped them get a place for the new teacher who moved out, and they seem to be willing to help. However, they don't seem to know what to do in this case.
The Chinese go betweens tell each other different things and I can't get a straight answer. My current school is asking me to talk to the owner in Shenyang to talk to his Chinese staff so they can talk to the Shenyang Entry Exit Bureau. However, there could be major mixups along the way.
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igorG
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Pretty quick champ answer to my post.
When we are "happy", in my professional opinion, we should be more careful "suggesting" other FTs in distress. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Urgent Visa Issues |
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| askiptochina wrote: |
Now I am being told I need to go back to Shenyang to sign something. Does this make sense? |
Here is my professional view of this situation. First, make sure your visa is valid (perhaps go to PSB), and then ask for the exact document you are required to submit. I mean, the name of it. |
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champ
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| I am still saying that he does not need to go to Shenyang.He needs a letter with that red stamp stating that he has finished his contract,kind of a no dues letter, FROM the school.If the boss of the school speaks English,where is the chance of a goof up?it's basically a one line letter. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Urgent Visa Issues |
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| igorG wrote: |
| askiptochina wrote: |
Now I am being told I need to go back to Shenyang to sign something. Does this make sense? |
Here is my professional view of this situation. First, make sure your visa is valid (perhaps go to PSB), and then ask for the exact document you are required to submit. I mean, the name of it. |
Ok, so I don't go to Entry Exit Bureau? I go to PSB? These are not the same areas, right?
You are saying go to Beijing PSB or Shenyang PSB? I assume Beijing PSB, and my current school has done this three times already. They will go again tomorrow morning.
When I ask my current school they just say they told the school in Shenyang and that I should ask the school owner to "ok" it. I am getting frustrated because I don't speak Chinese and I don't know "exactly" what is needed. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| champ wrote: |
| I am still saying that he does not need to go to Shenyang.He needs a letter with that red stamp stating that he has finished his contract,kind of a no dues letter, FROM the school.If the boss of the school speaks English,where is the chance of a goof up?it's basically a one line letter. |
That's right, but he doesn't know what to do. Usually, when problems come up like this, I have to pretend I know what is going on and go with someone who speaks Chinese. Then they relay to me what is needed, we get whatever documents, and then I take those to him. He signs or calls someone to do whatever we agreed to do, and then it is done. I do all this in person and it gets resolved. This is how I handled apartment paperwork, previous trip to Korea to get my visa, bank accounts, etc... I was an active participant in this, and while I would love to sit here in Beijing and not go, I only have a week to get this straightened out. If I go and they won't give me the document, then I can always change it to an L visa.
In this case I may need to go to Shenyang because they issued my Z visa. Maybe the rules changed, but I have seen on the internet people saying you can only get an L visa where you got your Z visa.
If I just sit off to the side and "pray" it will be done, Chinese people find some way to not communicate properly and the process is never resolved.
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