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Foxkorea
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 Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: Coming to China w/ a spouse |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Yanbian has a heckavalot of Koreans.
Dandong, too.
Both places will give you a free apartment, but the salaries...MEH. Not too great.
Shenyang has a Koreatown and actualy North Koreans working in restaurants, same with Dalian.
In fact, most cities in the Northeast have some sort of special Korean areas. Even the smallest places.
More later, gotta go to work. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Great Wall is right. Dalian and also Qingdao have sizable Korean communities.
Dalian Foreign Languages U (Da Wai) might be worth a look as they teach Korean as a FL, but then they may want someone who can teach Korean with Chinese as the language of instruction. What I'm saying is I'm not sure if Korean is taught like we FTs teach English.
Apartment on campus is pretty much standard with uni and college jobs. Both being employed by the same college would be attractive as they get two teachers for one apartment outgoing. Harmonise your schedules and WOW it could be perfect for you.
Bit late for uni Sept start though. Anything North of Dalian is going to be tough in winter and Dalian is bad enough!
Just watch Da Wai as most of the campus is or will soon be out at Lushun - abt 50 mins from city centre. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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As promised, more.
Non Sequitur stole my thunder (thunder thief!) about Dalian. So I'll mention some others.
Cities I have seen Koreantowns/villages/areas with lots of Korean activity in China include:
Shenyang
Dalian
Dandong
Qiqihar
Nenjiang
Tumen
Qingdao
Beijing
Panjin
Anshan
Changchun
Not sure exactly what you are looking for; I suggest checking out Panjin (oil city/high salaries) or Dalian/Shenyang.
I know Panjin personally because I speak Korean and know a lot of Koreans here (wife is Chinese-Korean).
But if you are looking for a joint effort, Dalian/Shenyang/Panjin are probably the best from the 3 IMHO. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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 A lowly few hundreds poster should defer to a 3394 and counting poster..
I mentioned Dalian FLU. There must be others. |
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Foxkorea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
As promised, more.
Non Sequitur stole my thunder (thunder thief!) about Dalian. So I'll mention some others.
Cities I have seen Koreantowns/villages/areas with lots of Korean activity in China include:
Shenyang
Dalian
Dandong
Qiqihar
Nenjiang
Tumen
Qingdao
Beijing
Panjin
Anshan
Changchun
Not sure exactly what you are looking for; I suggest checking out Panjin (oil city/high salaries) or Dalian/Shenyang.
I know Panjin personally because I speak Korean and know a lot of Koreans here (wife is Chinese-Korean).
But if you are looking for a joint effort, Dalian/Shenyang/Panjin are probably the best from the 3 IMHO. |
Hey, Great Wall, thanks for the list!
What am I looking for workwise? Well, I'm still not sure if I should shoot for the "prestige job" like a uni, or just settle for a language factory for year 1 and build from there. Specific job aside, I'd like to get in somewhere with an affluent Korean expat community, so that my wife might have a social (and employment?) network and the opportunity to feed me some students.
Location-wise? Someplace relatively clean (we lived in Seoul for 5 years!) with an adequate transportation system and not too hot in the summer. Access to Western goodies is a plus.
Hey, I'll keep your list and use it in my search.
Thanks again! |
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SahanRiddhi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see anything prestigious about working as an FT for a university in China. |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| SahanRiddhi wrote: |
| I don't see anything prestigious about working as an FT for a university in China. |
maybe it's a little prestigious until you accidentally tell a local your salary and they laugh at you |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Shenyang, Anshan and Beijing are polluted and cold.
Stay on the coast is my feeling.
Think package rather than salary and no matter what previous experience you've had you WILL find China a challenge for your first year.
For that reason a uni job with low hours and accom on campus is least stressful.
Further out you can look for better paid work but that will inevitably entail longer hours. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| SahanRiddhi wrote: |
| I don't see anything prestigious about working as an FT for a university in China. |
I had a teacher in university back in the states that taught Chinese history at Beida. He wasn't Chinese.
As far as Korean communities, I am just interested to know, are the ones you guys are mentioning expat communities or chaoxianzu (Chinese citizens of Korean ethnicity)? Korean is one of the minorities in China. I am wondering how well they all mix together. Meaning do the locals get along with the immigrants (N and S). This is something I am just curious about, but the OP probably also cares about how his wife will be received by the Korean community. |
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Foxkorea
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Shenyang, Anshan and Beijing are polluted and cold.
Stay on the coast is my feeling.
Think package rather than salary and no matter what previous experience you've had you WILL find China a challenge for your first year.
For that reason a uni job with low hours and accom on campus is least stressful.
Further out you can look for better paid work but that will inevitably entail longer hours. |
Thanks for your insights. I'm sort of coming to the same early conslusions. Yeah, 6 years in Korea might give me some ideas of what to expect--but only some. The low hours will give a chance to adjust and pick up some privates. The whole "prestige" of the university gig (illusory as it might be) is really to gain some credibility with the Korean expat community. For us, that could be a source of income. |
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Foxkorea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
| SahanRiddhi wrote: |
| I don't see anything prestigious about working as an FT for a university in China. |
I had a teacher in university back in the states that taught Chinese history at Beida. He wasn't Chinese.
As far as Korean communities, I am just interested to know, are the ones you guys are mentioning expat communities or chaoxianzu (Chinese citizens of Korean ethnicity)? Korean is one of the minorities in China. I am wondering how well they all mix together. Meaning do the locals get along with the immigrants (N and S). This is something I am just curious about, but the OP probably also cares about how his wife will be received by the Korean community. |
I'm really looking for a Chinese city with a relatively large population of S. Korean nationals. Korean families working in China. I know they're out there! |
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wangdaning
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| Yeah, I was just posting out of curiosity. I don't live in the north or east so I have no clue. Just looking for a bit more insight into the Korean communities of China. |
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JayCee86
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Most large cities have fairly big South Korean communities. Beijing has an entire district/suburb that's heavily populated with Koreans (Wangjing).
Qingdao has a large Korean enclave, outside of the city near the airport.
Shenyang has a strong Korean influence and a Korean consulate - the North has one too, I think it's the closest big city to North Korea.
Shanghai also has a large Korean (and everywhere else) population. Even Nanjing has a significant number of Koreans.
All above mentions of Koreans = South Koreans, not the xiaominzu. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
As far as Korean communities, I am just interested to know, are the ones you guys are mentioning expat communities or chaoxianzu (Chinese citizens of Korean ethnicity)? |
All three! (Chinese-Koreans, South Koreans AND North Koreans!
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| Korean is one of the minorities in China. I am wondering how well they all mix together. Meaning do the locals get along with the immigrants (N and S). This is something I am just curious about, but the OP probably also cares about how his wife will be received by the Korean community. |
Some places such as the Yanbian area have a majority or a near-majority Korean population. There are a number of visiting North Korean government officials walking around buying goods, selling their infrastructure, and making illegal deals with the locals.
All the places I listed have Korean villages where Chinese-Koreans (xian zu ren) live and work.
Some places such as Shenyang, Dandong, Dalian Beijing, Qingdao and Changchun have large South Korean expat population.
How do they mix?
This is only my opinion and experience, so take it for what it is: just my experience.
North Koreans out on the street are not friendly and shy away from foreigners, as they are ordered to do so. The North Korean girls in the restaurants however are a mixed bag: some are extremely curious and will talk your socks off. Others will be afraid of you.
I see them interacting with the Chinese-Koreans normally. They seem to get along fine.
The South Koreans are the least trusted of the three. They are seen by the other two groups as wealthy, pushy, arrogant, and know-it-alls. North Koreans take whatever say they and believe the opposite. Chinese-Koreans seem to be weary of South Koreans in business and in pleasure, for fear of being exploited/abused.
Chinese in general, apart from having a hate-on for Japan and America, I would have to say that South Korea is a close 3rd on that list. And it rubs off on the Chinese-Koreans because they are the Chinese who most interact with South Koreans who visit China.
I can tell you one thing about my wife: that side of her entire family are not keen on having any South Korean 'friends'. They are afraid of being converted/abused/cheated, etc. and are weary of the motivation for South Koreans moving to China is South Korea if 'so great'.
Generally speaking, there are a lot of missionaries here working clandestinely. Wives of Korean diplomats and businessmen get bored and try to find activities that may be innocent back in South Korea, can be troublesome here. Walking around trying to convert the masses in China is not the best thing to be doing.
As for how North/South Koreans interact?
One North Korean waitress openly asked my South Korean friend's sister (who has an American husband) how she could bear being a slave.
Argument ensued and we were all asked to leave the restaurant.
Never talk about politics to North Koreans. Even if you are right, you will still lose. |
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