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pdhaas8617



Joined: 11 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:01 am    Post subject: JD graduate looking to teach in Asia Reply with quote

Hello,

I graduated law school in May of this year. I have been looking for jobs since March, and have sent out resumes with no luck and few responses. Before I went to law school I was interested in teaching english abroad, and Im thinking now is the time to make that dream a reality. I just want to ask some questions to the experienced teachers on this board:

1) I am debating between Korea and SE Asia, probably Vietnam or Thailand. I have read on these forums that Korea is the most lucrative place to teach, but Im not sure how I feel about living there. I would like to save around $1K per month. Is this possible while living a good life in SE Asia? I dont live lavishly but I do like to go out to eat and drink on a regular basis.

2) Does my law degree make me more attractive as a candidate?

3) I was thinking of taking the CELTA in September and then looking for jobs on graduation. How realistic is it to find something in October?

I have student loans, though my family has offered to help pay them off. I ideally would like to have some money left to pay them off faster.

Thanks very much.
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: JD graduate looking to teach in Asia Reply with quote

pdhaas8617 wrote:
Hello,

I graduated law school in May of this year. I have been looking for jobs since March, and have sent out resumes with no luck and few responses. Before I went to law school I was interested in teaching english abroad, and Im thinking now is the time to make that dream a reality. I just want to ask some questions to the experienced teachers on this board:

1) I am debating between Korea and SE Asia, probably Vietnam or Thailand. I have read on these forums that Korea is the most lucrative place to teach, but Im not sure how I feel about living there. I would like to save around $1K per month. Is this possible while living a good life in SE Asia? I dont live lavishly but I do like to go out to eat and drink on a regular basis.

2) Does my law degree make me more attractive as a candidate?

3) I was thinking of taking the CELTA in September and then looking for jobs on graduation. How realistic is it to find something in October?

I have student loans, though my family has offered to help pay them off. I ideally would like to have some money left to pay them off faster.

Thanks very much.


These are not specific but are broad generalizations and there are exceptions to all of the answers but:

1) Without related experience and/or teaching qualifications you (outside of Korea, Japan or possibly Vietnam or Taiwan) are unlikely to make (never mind save) much more than $1000-1200 per month in your first year (anywhere) as an ESL teacher.

2) Nope. You join the rest of the unemployed US economic refugees with student loans to pay off that head abroad in the faint hope of salvation. Your (unrelated) bachelors degree (visa requirement in many parts of Asia) and CELTA are of more value than your JD.

3) The answer to this questions is country specific but in general:

i) language academies (these are NOT schools) hire year round.

ii) schools K-12, (public, government, private) USUALLY look to hire about 3-4 months before the start of the new term. Decent international schools require home country licensing and/or education related degrees.

iii) University positions usually don't hire from abroad (China being a notable exception), do require in-person interviews (at your expense) and hire about 6 months ahead of term start.

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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would like to save around $1K per month.
I have student loans, though my family has offered to help pay them off. I ideally would like to have some money left to pay them off faster.
Help us out here. How much in loans do you want to pay off per month?

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Does my law degree make me more attractive as a candidate?
IMO, no. It doesn't make you any less attractive, either. You're going to have to take entry level jobs, and I would wager that none of them are specifically catered to teaching lawyers. Besides, content EFL courses like that (called business English) are usually picked up by people who have work experience, not just a fresh degree. You might get lucky...maybe. Expect to get conversation school jobs and ALT jobs, though.

Really, really, really think hard about this. You've only been looking for work since May. (Ideally, one would have started looking before graduation, of course.) Even with 1 year off to teach abroad, do you really, really, really want to have a gap in your law career? Times are tough, and you should think about that.
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pdhaas8617



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys. To clarify some things:

I have actually been looking since March, in two states to boot (did my JD in another state than where Im from). I have been told by several partners in law firms that they are unable to hire me and the market is grim, including by the firm I worked for in law school. At this point, I really don't even know where to send my resume. I've tried the federal government, non profits, law firms etc. I've also tried to apply for non legal positions with no success.

As far as the student loan thing goes, I would want about $500 per month to go home for that. Coupled with my family help that puts me over what my 10 year payment would be by several hundred dollars.

As far as the gap in my law career, Im not sure I really want a law career at this point. Law School was a huge mistake for me I will admit, but thats water under the bridge. I clerked for 2 years in a firm and I never really got the sense this is a satisfying profession. The hours, the stress, the problems, and most of all the people you encounter on a day to day basis make the potential financial reward (so far as it exists) not sufficient to outweigh day to day misery as a motivating factor.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't comment on your aspirations for a law career. As for saving US$500 for student loans, it's pretty easy with most entry level jobs.
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pdhaas8617



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more question for you guys... how does a CELTA change my job prospects? Do you think it would be worth it for me to plunk down the cash?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might depend on where you end up. In Japan, for example, it probably won't count for much, at least short-term.

Short-term vs. long-term, however, it's worth it.
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