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Matthew H



Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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Location: Kashiwa

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:06 pm    Post subject: Book one flight or two? Reply with quote

Ok so the time has come for me to book my flight here to China and I had a question. The airport that will be my ultimate destination is quite a small rural one and there are no direct flights to it from outside of China. This means that I will probably fly into Beijing from London and have to get a connection. This is no problem and not unexpected but I was wondering something.

Very few websites even list the airport I will be flying in to (Nanyang) and the ones that do don�t list very good prices for flights. So I would like your opinion and advice. Should I go with the more expensive flight all booked together or should I book a simple cheap flight to Beijing and then also book a separate cheap internal flight separately.

Up front this is cheaper but there is the risk of my flights being messed up and the hassle of getting my luggage and then re-checking in to another flight. So what I want to know is how easy will it be to do this? Will that give me any visa problems if my visa only allows me to live and work in one place but I get off and go through immigration in another?

Help and advice will be greatly appreciated! Thank You
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randyj



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Location: Nanjing, Jiangsu, China

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthew, you will no doubt need a connection. A one-way flight to Nanyang from either Beijing or Shanghai costs around 1,000� or so ($150 US), looking at Ctrip. Nanyang does not qualify as rural, but it does lie a bit off the beaten track.

Chinese immigration does not care about your final destination within China, and it does not matter whether you land in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, or enter via Hong Kong.

Doing the entire trip in one sitting strikes me as grueling. Consider staying the night in the entry city, and then continue the next day. This might avoid any possible confusion regarding your baggage. Or consider going to Nanyang by train (fourteen hours from Shanghai).

Good luck.
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dean_a_jones



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few things worth considering:

The first (more expensive) option means that you have one 'ticket' to claim, assuming you have a flight allowance. If you do the second, you might find the school only gives you a refund on the international part of your flight.

What is the price difference? What is your international flight allowance? If your allowance covers the former (or 50% of it, so you still have money to return home), I would go with that. Some schools will pay for both tickets, but be warned plenty will see it as a chance to get out of paying something, or at least make you fight for it.
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

elong and ctrip both list one flight per day,
departing beijing at 17:05, at 800 RMB.
PEK->NNY

booking online with elong or ctrip is
relatively painless. pay with your credit
card, get an email confirmation.

even if you book the flights together, you'll
most likely need to collect your luggage in
beijing, go through customs/immigration,
and then on to the domestic portion.

don't forget to check the luggage allowance
on the domestic portion.....

your next option is the train. 7 trains per
day from beijing to nanyang. much cheaper
at 250 rmb for hard sleeper. but a long
12-16 hours.....

and you can enter at any airport or border
crossing. i arrived by bicycle from laos,
then took about a week to reach kunming
to begin processing the RP.
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Matthew H



Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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Location: Kashiwa

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone for your great advice. Its helped me to make my decision.

My contract pays me a pre set amount of 15000rmb which I get in two amounts half after 6 months and the other half at the end of the year. So that isn't a problem I was just trying to reduce my setup costs.

On that subject how much do people think I will need for setup costs? My contract comes with a free furnished (to an unknown standard) apartment at the university I�m working at. Taking into account my location, how much money do you think I will need until my first pay check?

It looks to me then that the best option is to book it as two flights so I can save some money and some hassle. I did think about taking a train but I think that will be a real pain with all my luggage to carry around.

So thanks again for the advice. Smile
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Miles Smiles



Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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Location: Heebee Jeebee

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't the carrier that takes you to China handle your domestic flight as well? Mine can.

Contrary to popular opinion, booking directly with the carrier can sometimes result in a price that's competitive with agencies, especially when the flight is booked less than a month before your departure. You might not get a great seat, but it's worth a shot.
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randyj



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
don't forget to check the luggage allowance
on the domestic portion.....
Chou makes an excellent point. Do not forget the luggage allowance on domestic flights within China amounts to one checked bag weighing twenty kilograms, much less than international flights. I have bluffed my way through this restriction in the past by stressing my international connection, but I would not want to do that for a living.

Best of luck.
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Miles Smiles



Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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Location: Heebee Jeebee

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

randyj wrote:
choudoufu wrote:
don't forget to check the luggage allowance
on the domestic portion.....
Chou makes an excellent point. Do not forget the luggage allowance on domestic flights within China amounts to one checked bag weighing twenty kilograms, much less than international flights. I have bluffed my way through this restriction in the past by stressing my international connection, but I would not want to do that for a living.



I had no problems regarding the weight of my carry-on after arriving in China last time, but the connecting flight's overhead compartments were tiny, thus requiring me to open my carry-on and divide the contents among two compartments.
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dean_a_jones



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthew H wrote:
On that subject how much do people think I will need for setup costs? My contract comes with a free furnished (to an unknown standard) apartment at the university I�m working at. Taking into account my location, how much money do you think I will need until my first pay check?


I would make sure you have at least a month and a half of your usual pay (that you are expecting in China) as a minimum. Hopefully you won't need anything near that amount, but it helps. Things to consider: do you have to pay for anything on this side (i.e. health check, FEC, Residency Permit, internet) as those things can all add up (I think here, to pay for all of those including 1 year of internet, would cost around 1,500RMB).

As you said, a furnished apartment may need anything and everything, including pots, pans, towels, sheets. You will probably need some cleaning materials etc. as no matter how clean it is, it is unlikely to be as clean as you really want it.

Hopefully you are working for a place that pays promptly, but you never know so assume you might have to wait 1.5 months after arriving to get paid (especially if you are arriving a few weeks before class itself starts).

You will also probably want some creature comforts as you adjust, such as a western meal or two, a taxi rather than a bus when you go places, a dvd player, a coffee machine, a bottle (or case) of something. Those will add up, as will the first-time socialising if you are working in a place with some cool people.

One last piece of advice: It is hard to do, but don't get here, look at price tags and think to yourself 'wow, that's so cheap!'. A lot will seem that way, but the sooner you start living in the RMB mindset, the more likely you will be able to budget in a reasonable way. This is particularly true during the first month, and during those first big shops.
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Miajiayou



Joined: 30 Apr 2011
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Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go a step farther than Dean and say that if you don't have enough savings to get you through a couple of months AND a medical emergency here, it is better to put it off for a year.
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Matthew H



Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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Location: Kashiwa

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for the information and the advice I have booked my planes tickets now separately so your advice was very helpful.

@Miajiayou; thanks for the advice. It�s more that I am a person that is very careful with money than a lack of it. I just would rather not bring lots of money to china with me if I don�t have to in case I lose it or whatever.

@Dean. Thanks for the info. Yeah I have already done this living abroad thing once before so hopefully I am a little wiser this time around then last...

Thanks
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