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refikagurz



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:01 am    Post subject: Tohoku volunteer vacations Reply with quote

I have a long summer break and will not leave Japan. I'm seriously considering volunteering to pitch in and help with the massive clean up in Tohoku for a week or so. I've heard of some "volunteer vacation" organizations here, but I can't seem to find much specific information.. at least in English (my Japanese isn't quite good enough to understand all the relevant info on those sites). May I ask if anyone knows more about any of these organizations, and can direct me to some sources of information? Has anyone out there done anything like this? If so, how was it? I realize summer is probably one of the worst times to go, but it's either then or dead winter..

Thanks for any suggestions\directions in advance!
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Tohoku volunteer vacations Reply with quote

Please don't. By your own admission, you don't have the Japanese for it: you'd be a liability, not a help.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto what G said.

All the foreign volunteers I know are fluent in Japanese. They volunteered as part of organizations they already belong to, or they independently collected money (�100,000 at a time), phoned city offices in Tohoku, offered to run rented trucks up full of goods the city offices asked for.

You'd do better to organize local foreign and Japanese friends to do fundraisers where you live, or invite friends to go on a trip to less stricken areas of Tohoku where tourism has dwindled.

You could still be a hero - blog or write for newspapers to promote Tohoku tourism. Tohoku needs all the help it can get.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am doing it. Signed up on the site they had. I do speak a good amount of Japanese, and the work that I am doing is clearing rubble, aka goon work.
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aynnej



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22, how much Japanese would you say one needed? Could someone with daily conversation abilities and a mediocre vocabulary (say, somewhere between JLPT N3 and N2) handle it?
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it has little to do with what JLPT cert you have and more to do with common sense:

- Will you be able to understand written and verbal instructions in Japanese that are being delivered to an entire group of people? (i.e. in Japanese that isn't being dumbed down and/or being spoon-fed to you on a 1-to-1 basis)

- Will you be able to understand announcements, instructions and warnings being announced over a PA system?

If you can't answer yes to both questions then you are not only likely to prove more troublesome than helpful, but you may end up putting both yourself and others at risk.

As TokyoLiz has already pointed out; there are otherways you can make a big contribution to the effort than physically getting your hands dirty at ground zero which do not require you having a huge amount of Japanese.
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jcook77



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious ... if other English-speaking foreigners are in Tohoku doing volunteer work, wouldn't they be able to assist someone who doesn't quite catch 100% of the Japanese they're hearing? To me, anyone who wants to volunteer their back for grunt work should be considered -- unless of course, there's a huge waiting list or something.

Under the circumstances, I agree it's best for foreign volunteers to be able to understand Japanese well. But I can understand if some people would rather be there in person, getting their hands dirty, instead of just depositing money into the Red Cross' coffers or slipping a few thousand yen into a collection box.

Best of luck finding a way to go help out! Surprised
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcook77 wrote:
Under the circumstances, I agree it's best for foreign volunteers to be able to understand Japanese well. But I can understand if some people would rather be there in person, getting their hands dirty, instead of just depositing money into the Red Cross' coffers or slipping a few thousand yen into a collection box.


I can understand the desire to go, but at the same time, for anyone that isn't self-sufficient on the ground then it becomes a case of *their* sense of entitlement to "help" against their inability to not be or become a liability.

The arrogance underlying the desire to "help" when coupled with the refusal to recognise that it *isn't* helpful is simply astounding.
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rich45



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with a Japanese friend. Problem solved.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aynnej wrote:
rxk22, how much Japanese would you say one needed? Could someone with daily conversation abilities and a mediocre vocabulary (say, somewhere between JLPT N3 and N2) handle it?


I dunno about you. I think the JLPT tests have very little bearing on how well you can speak/listen. I am studying for the N2, but I am very conversational, and can usually get my point across.

How well can you follow directions in Japanese? I do BJJ, and without it, I prolly couldn't understand some of the physical directions.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah also, I first lived in Osaka, and now live in Chiba. My fiance's family is in Sendai, they are bit harder gor me to understand than people from Kansai or Kanto. Not abig deal, but it can make a difference.
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jcook77



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:

I can understand the desire to go, but at the same time, for anyone that isn't self-sufficient on the ground then it becomes a case of *their* sense of entitlement to "help" against their inability to not be or become a liability.

The arrogance underlying the desire to "help" when coupled with the refusal to recognise that it *isn't* helpful is simply astounding.


For some people, I suppose, it's about their own desire to feel good about themselves. But we're talking about digging crap with a shovel, not translating vital instructions that might cost someone their life. I don't see arrogance when it comes to wanting to help clean up a major disaster area. Some folks just want to lend a hand. If their Japanese isn't perfect, I'm sure they can figure out how to dig and place things from point A to point B.

Of course, it's all a matter of opinion anyway. Surprised

I just hope that anyone feeling compelled to physically donate some time in Tohoku will be welcomed, not turned aside. It's that same way of thinking that kept foreign doctors from being able to enter Tohoku and assist patients -- they didn't have a Japanese medical practitioner's license.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcook77 wrote:

For some people, I suppose, it's about their own desire to feel good about themselves.

Then some people are rather selfish if they cannot be content doing what is in the best interest of the effort rather than what is best for their egos.

Why can't those people be happy fundraising in their community for money and/or pre-approved supplies if putting money in a box is so beneath them?

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But we're talking about digging crap with a shovel, not translating vital instructions that might cost someone their life.

And when there is a PA warning telling people to head to a specific evacuation point but the foreigner didn't understand and gets lost... you don't see how that could be dangerous?

And somebody has noticed that the foreigner is missing so they send out people to look for them... you don't see that as others putting themselves at risk for the sake of that bloody foreigner who had no business being there in the first place?

BTW, alot of that "crap" used to be part of somebody's life. I hope any foreigners who do head up there show the appropriate sensitivity and bare in mind that every shovel-full of "crap" could be concealing something of high sentimental value to an owner who may have lost a lot more than just the roof over their head.
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jcook77



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:


BTW, alot of that "crap" used to be part of somebody's life. I hope any foreigners who do head up there show the appropriate sensitivity and bare in mind that every shovel-full of "crap" could be concealing something of high sentimental value to an owner who may have lost a lot more than just the roof over their head.


Wow. You're reading into the word crap WAY too much. Chill. You should "bare" in mind that not everyone is as overly sensitive as you. Have you ever shoveled debris and waste from a disaster area? I have. It's thankless work, and if someone had something of value in the watery rubble, it surely wasn't going to be the top priority of those digging so roads could be operable and relief could get through. I guess I sound harsh, but a lot of people are good at spouting from an ivory tower without any actual experience in the very topic they're discussing.

Didn't want to get off topic, because my whole point was that people hoping to volunteer should be given a chance. I agree with some posts about the hazards of not knowing fluent Japanese in this particular situation. However, if a need is there, volunteers who agree to sign an insurance waiver or whatever should be considered.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcook77 wrote:
I guess I sound harsh, but a lot of people are good at spouting from an ivory tower without any actual experience in the very topic they're discussing.

I'm not a lot of people. Enough said.
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