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[rxk22]

As the title says, but a bit more in depth please. What happens to the kids who are pushed through school, who in other systems would fail? Where do they go to HS? What kinda jobs do they get/not get? Do they join gangs/mafia? Wondering from a social logical perspective.

I am at a JHS. The school has about 5 9th graders, and 3 8th graders who pretty much don't go to tclass, and if they do, they read manga, or play video games in class. The principal will let them graduate, but after JHS, where do they go? Japan is big on being part of some sort of team, esp when it comes to getting hired/school entrances, so references really do help.

I was at a SHS, and 2 senior girls didn't job hunt/apply to college. I asked what they were going to do, 'Delivery Heath' was the answer. I would like some honest answers, as I am genuinely curious, and don't wish these kids wrong, but would like to know what awaits them.

[spidr245]

The kids probably plan on working as soon as they finish JHS. You know, that great life that awaits them as "the guy who warms up your bento at the konbini".

I have kids like that at my school, too. I asked some of them and they seriously want to do things like that. I suppose the others will just mooch off their parents until the parents get tired of it.

(As for your girls, they may already be doing that... The young girls these days care more about money than they do about their bodies/dignity.)

[rxk22]

That's rough. Blue collar jobs don't tend to pay well. I have a mechanic friend here, and he works 6 days a week for 15万　a month. That is pretty rough. Same with the construction workers, they don't make that much when you factor in hours worked.

Working at a conbini till your parents die/get tired of you, is a sad sad plan for anyone's future.

Funny too, as when they work they have to be polite, which they never are at school. I understand having to behave for a job, but some of those menial jobs most be degrading for the pay you get.

Saw some yankee HS boys teasing a tissue handing out guy. Told them, that is what they can be, if they are lucky

Bet they already were in HS. One girl on her worksheets, her response to 'What do you like to do?' was 'play sex'.....

[seklarwia]

I've spoken about having two HSs now in various posts. One is extremely famous in the prefecture whilst the other is rather infamous and I often refer to it as my juvenile deliquent school... it was only a half jest. Have you seen an anime called Beelzebub? That isn't too far off from what my school is like; just add a few more piercings and tattoos and a little less fighting.

I hate telling locals about being an ALT at this school because they are always responding with comments like, "Poor you!" or "That must be tough." I have to force myself to smile and be civil in my defense of the school because I am actually extremely fond of it and I feel that the way people treat or judge my kids is totally unwarranted. Sure they hate to study, they often bunk off, they are pierced and inked, they sound crass and uncouth when they speak Japanese and many of them smoke and don't get me started on their bunny antics, but once you get to know them you quickly realise that they are actually really misunderstood.

Basically in this school, they are quickly split into 3 categories: Kyoyo (kids that will likely go on to some kind of higher ed), Fukushi (kids that will go on to work in social welfare) and Joho (these are the dregs who will probably just work in a relative's shop or end up in some blue collar work in the future). They attend lessons with other students in the same category rather than as a HR class. And there are certain lessons and courses that are category specific. I occassionally attend the welfare class with Fukushi students because they learn about welfare in other countries (I actually get to assist in classes other than English and work with teachers who are not JTEs and often speak little to no English which is always quite interesting - no sarcasm intended). Recently they watched Sicko... some of them have been put off the US for life

HS is not compulsory in Japan, some kids drop out and no, they will not all graduate. In fact, right now they are counting up attendence and kids that have not attended a number of consecutive lessons (I think its 14) in any particular subject without good reason is asked to leave.

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[rxk22]

To seklarwia

My current bad JHS is more fun than my ok but boring one. Seems like things actually happen here. but it is rough to teach the kids. It is hard to compete with Yu-Gi-Oh, PSP and what not. Which is rough on the teachers.

Never seen it split into those kinds of groups. I at HS, have had factory workers, fishermen, farmers veg vs animal, but never those.

G Cthulhu, I thought getting hired in japan, was pretty hard, esp if it were FT. For instance a job at a factory, that isn't a temp position, is fairly hard to get, esp without good references.

But yeah the US has a weird ideal about office work. Most would rather work in an office for $30k, than be a plumber for $100k. But in Japan plumbers and most blue collar workers don't get paid well. I guess it balances out.

[rxk22]

Guys don't get this thread locked debating enjoukousia, please.

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[rxk22]

Thanks for you post Glenski, read your articles. Also, please tell me how you had to pass those scholarship athletes.

I think alot of it may do with a lot of the kids know that the social contract in Japan between workers and companies is pretty much gone. Why spend your whole life studying/working when the company doesn't hold up their end of the contract?

I feel that the system that is in place, education wise is catering to a bygone era. In fact most the teachers now prolly never experienced it, as it was prolly rationally over by the 80's. Which for kids, is a good reason to be detached and not care about a system that is almost quixotic in nature.

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