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mervanm
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SahanRiddhi
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| As long as you like ramen noodles and celibacy, I think you'll be fine. |
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mervanm
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SahanRiddhi
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I suggest avoiding Beijing. While earnings can be higher in Beijing, expenses are higher. I suggest heading for a second- or third-tier city.
I'd seek out a university job where the apartment will be provided. It might pay about 5,000 yuan a month. You might be able to sit in on Mandarin classes on campus for free. You can also pick up extra work at a training center or arrange your own private students. In my opinion, you'll be able to do better financially.
You'll avoid paying rent. There won't be so many English-speaking Chinese people trying to talk with you and interfering with your Mandarin progress. There won't be so many foreigners competing for every opportunity and distracting you from studies. You won't have to deal with as much traffic, taking up all your time. (Trust me, it's bad in Beijing.)
Additionally, if you think that Beijing is a good place because it's some kind of "standard" for Mandarin -- well, try speaking Beijing-accented Mandarin anywhere else in China, and see what impression it creates. |
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jayjjasper
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| Rent in the city is high and 2K will get you a share apt. but still kind of down on the scale. Farther out of the city is cheaper. I pay 2500 for a two bedroom 80 sq meters and have an excellent salary but have to travel two hours to and from work. As I have a three day work week it isn't too bad as there is plenty of time off for the effort. There are many ways to work it just find the deal and try to make the best of it. |
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mervanm
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Who has heard this line before:
Oh, but you make much more than Chinese families do!
The whole line of "You make more than most families" is a crock of shit and anyone feeding you this line is either outright lying to you, or have no idea what they are talking about.
It may have been true in the good 'ol days, but not any longer. Even a low-level manager and his nurse wife can extract over 15k a month.
Beijing is not cheap (nor is anywhere in China for that matter any more) unless you live as a local (drink poisonous water and eat poisonous food).
7000 a month in Beijing? SahanRiddhi is right; at that salary expect to be laughed at by local Chinese who are making much much more than you are. There are schools that pay much more, please do yourself a favour and look around. |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| What range of salaries allows one to live comfortably in Beijing |
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| do yourself a favour and look around. |
1. If you dismiss one idea and refer to another, BE COMPLETE. Look around? What does that mean? China is a huge country, and offers I see are not on par with "low-level manager and his nurse wife can extract over 15k a month" (does that mean 7,500 for each or maybe 10,000 for 1 and 5,000 for another?) According to the 7,000 mentioned, that would be 14,000 for 2 people. If both are given housing, then one wouldn't and be given 1,500 at least for housing allowance (8,500).
Now we see 15,500 is more than 15,000. So, I can't see how the numbers work underneath the broad generalizing comments about "looking around".
2. Living in the heart (center) of any city (big or small) is not the best unless you rent a room or have a partner where you can share expenses. So, look outside of the city. I find these hold the best offers. Less hours, fewer classes, same pay scale, no office time, etc...
The downside is simply that you have to go into the city and lose 1-2 hours (which you could just sleep off). I think it's a small price to pay compared to the salary and crowded environment the center of a city has. If you want Beijing, look at the districts: Changping, Shunyi, and Tongzhou (as well as the others).
You could get your 7,000 and have housing included. |
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SahanRiddhi
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| Sorry, but it is just idiotic to live in Beijing on these kind of ESL wages. That's why you don't find many people on ESLCafe living in Beijing or Shanghai. It's only reasonable once you hit the high end of the field. Why Beijing? Is there a girl involved or something? |
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dean_a_jones
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| Is there a girl involved or something? |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| What range of salaries allows one to live comfortably in Beijing |
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| do yourself a favour and look around. |
Look around? What does that mean? |
It means don't choose the very first school that is eager to hire you. There are many many jobs on this very website offering far above 7k a month in Beijing. As others said, for Beijing, 7k doesn't cut it, for Chinese as well as foreigners. |
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Scott 1955
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JAZZY75
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Contrary to what other posters are saying about Beijing (and this is not a criticism), my old Chinese teacher reckons it is cheaper to live in Beijing than elsewhere. Her reasoning was that the government tried to control inflation more there.
I never did buy that. Of course, if the base price is still high, it matters not how much you control inflation. Just offering a (2nd hand) Chinese perspective.
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askiptochina
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The prices are the same, but you can buy more in Beijing. Again, folks, don't refer to Beijing as one entity. Beijing is HUGE!!!
There are districts, and even in Chaoyang, there are areas which seem "too far" for some. You can easily get a reasonable job with living accommodations. |
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auchtermuchty
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| Apart from housing, Beijing's only more expensive because there is more to spend money on. If you lived the same lifestyle most FTs live in 3rd tier cities, Beijing isn't expensive. The trouble is you'd feel unhappy in Beijing, but just (ultimately) bored in the 3rd tier city. |
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