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Osailor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject: to ALT dispatch or not to ALT dispatch... Reply with quote

Hi all Smile 24 year old Australian male �long time reader/first time poster � here. As my departure date is creeping closer and closer, I�ve decided to write a post to let you all know where I�m at, what my options are at the moment and, primarily, to get some advice.

My partner and I would like to experience Japan for a year/a year and a half and are planning to fly over in mid-March next year. Although Osaka is a preferred location, we are flexible with where we end up (we would be more than happy to go rural if both of us were able to find jobs in a rural town). I have been teaching myself the language for the past year and I have a Bachelors degree, and am therefore eligible for a working visa if sponsored. I have currently received responses from my Gaba, Heart and Borderlink applications, and am scouring the internet for companies that hire from abroad. I will most likely hit $10,000 savings by the time my contract finishes in February, and my partner will probably be at around $6000�and that is my situation in a nutshell.

I�m in a bit of a pickle when it comes to what would be the best option for us. Although it still remains an option, I�m scared about coming to Japan on a WHV with my partner, staying at a guesthouse until we set ourselves up in an apartment or weekly/monthly mansion and frantically hunting for work, especially considering we have no teaching experience. My gut tells me to continue to hunt for a job before I get there (which I will continue to do), but most of these opportunities are ALT dispatch jobs, and you can�t google any ALT dispatch company without stories of their poor working conditions, low pay and mistreatment of staff�but considering I have no experience, is it okay for me to be contemplating going through one of these companies? What does the unionisation of Borderlink mean for the company and the way it treats its employees? And, for example, say I �am� successful with my Heart application in Mito, are there enough jobs for WHV holders without a degree and with no experience in that city for my partner to find work there?

I guess it all boils down to �should I avoid ALT dispatch like the plague, or embrace it as an opportunity to spend an extended period of time in a fascinating country with my partner?� (and yes, we are a gay couple, so if you have any information to share that is specific to us in that regard, please share also).
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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: to ALT dispatch or not to ALT dispatch... Reply with quote

Osailor wrote:
Hi all Smile 24 year old Australian male �long time reader/first time poster � here.
Actually, you posted in August.

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My partner and I would like to experience Japan for a year/a year and a half and are planning to fly over in mid-March next year.
Cutting things pretty close, since jobs start in April.

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I have currently received responses from my Gaba, Heart and Borderlink applications,
What kind of responses? None of those places has a stellar reputation in Japan, in case you didn't know. Be careful.

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and am scouring the internet for companies that hire from abroad.
You can count them on both hands and maybe take off one sock. If you're both Aussie, get a working holiday visa and come so you can entertain more potential opportunities. Most employers don't have the deep pockets to hire/recruit from abroad. You said you were "scared" about this, but it will afford you far more chances, give you a better lay of the land and improve your language skills. Plus, some employers will only hire people who are already here.

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My gut tells me to continue to hunt for a job before I get there (which I will continue to do), but most of these opportunities are ALT dispatch jobs
Really? I think there are more eikaiwa than ALT dispatch agencies.

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And, for example, say I �am� successful with my Heart application in Mito, are there enough jobs for WHV holders without a degree and with no experience in that city for my partner to find work there?
I will avoid further talk about Heart, but as for WHV holder, look at it this way. You need no employer sponsor for the visa. You can start immediately. You can do PT jobs. Most newbies hoping for a work visa cannot do that.

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(and yes, we are a gay couple, so if you have any information to share that is specific to us in that regard, please share also).
The only thing to say about that is that you shouldn't even bring it up in any form whatsoever when it comes to a job opportunity. Your "partner" should be referred to as your friend and nothing more.
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Osailor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Actually, you posted in August.
oh geezus, did I? I thought that was on gaijinpot! my bad!

Glenski wrote:
Cutting things pretty close, since jobs start in April.
Hmm, well my contract finishes on the 12th February, but I would like to spend at least 2 weeks at home getting things sorted and saying goodbye before we leave...Would 1st March still be cutting it close?

So I guess coming over on WHVs and finding work there is still the best option, huh? Should I not bother about the ALT dispatch companies altogether, considering their reputation? (I am aware that Borderlink and Heart are scraping the bottom of the barrel...) In that case, what about the idea of landing a job at Gaba before we go and trying to find work in the city we are posted in? At least then there is 'some' sort of income when we arrive...Or is it difficult for Gaba employees to leave the company?

Glenski wrote:
The only thing to say about that is that you shouldn't even bring it up in any form whatsoever when it comes to a job opportunity. Your "partner" should be referred to as your friend and nothing more.
I'll keep this in mind. Acommodation wise, Japanese people won't mind two 'friends' living together in an apartment, will they?

Oh! And will living in a monthly mansion (e.g. http://www.weekly-monthly.net/) for the entire year and a half be financially feasible you think? I notice they hire them out for extended periods of time (+7 month rates) and I'm assuming it would still be cheaper than paying the shikikin, reikin, etc. and having to fully furnish an apartment, especially since we are only staying for a year and a half...Am I assuming correctly?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post counts are under your name, so it's easy to see how many times you have posted.

Coming on March 1st would be better, yes. If you have a WHV you can start work the same day as the interview, but if you need to change to a work visa, you will have to wait 2-8 weeks. (Some people work while their visa is being processed, a bit under the table, but that is not recommended for various reasons.)

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Should I not bother about the ALT dispatch companies altogether, considering their reputation?
Your choice. If it were me, I'd avoid them. Others on this forum might say their experience has been satisfactory, but if so, I would advise you to find out more about that "experience" so there is no surprises for you. Some people are happy working without company support, some get a good school (while others may not), some don't care about the reduced pay (60% or even zero) during breaks, etc.

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In that case, what about the idea of landing a job at Gaba before we go and trying to find work in the city we are posted in? At least then there is 'some' sort of income when we arrive...Or is it difficult for Gaba employees to leave the company?
GABA hires a lot of non-native English teachers, so that will give you some idea of their quality. I believe you also have only 1-on-1 lessons there, which can be tiring even after 40 minutes. Not sure, but I think you might have problems getting enough lessons, so if nobody signed up for you that day, you get no pay. As for leaving, you give a month's notice and go. That's all they are obligated to give you (or pay in lieu thereof)!

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Acommodation wise, Japanese people won't mind two 'friends' living together in an apartment, will they?
Nope. My point was that there is no reason at all to talk about your sexual orientation during the job, and if accommodation comes up, don't use the word "partner", as it can be misconstrued.

I have no experience in monthly mansions. Sorry, but I'm pressed for time this morning and have not looked at that link.
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deadzenpoet



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osailor wrote:
my bad


Ew that awful American slang went viral and spread to Australia. Surprised I'm sorry.


Osailor I can help you somewhat with Osaka since I lived there a few years. I couldn't really figure out what kind of place you wanted in that website but it looks like �80,000 mo is the bare minimum. If you are around Osaka station and paying that for 2 people, then that would be a good deal! I wouldn't pay more than �100,000 mo for 2 though unless it was short term.
Actually get clarification if that is for 2 or each person. From my experience, quotes on rentals in Japan are usually for each person! If that is the case, you should look for something else at least when you are there.
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Inflames



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That website states that an emergency contact person (a family member) is needed. It seems to go without saying they need to be in Japan and able to communicate in Japanese.
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Osailor



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inflames wrote:
That website states that an emergency contact person (a family member) is needed. It seems to go without saying they need to be in Japan and able to communicate in Japanese.
Oh bugger Sad I'll look into it...if an english contact is fine, great! if not, and if its not specifically a family member, I know two Japanese nationals that biloted with me back in high school that I have kept in contact with that may be willing! Otherwise, regular ol' guesthouse will have to do and I'll have to spend up on initial startup apartment costs.
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seklarwia



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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osailor wrote:
Inflames wrote:
That website states that an emergency contact person (a family member) is needed. It seems to go without saying they need to be in Japan and able to communicate in Japanese.
Oh bugger Sad I'll look into it...if an english contact is fine, great! if not, and if its not specifically a family member, I know two Japanese nationals that biloted with me back in high school that I have kept in contact with that may be willing! Otherwise, regular ol' guesthouse will have to do and I'll have to spend up on initial startup apartment costs.

One of my estate agents had the same requirement and was funny about me giving the contact details of a friend (despite them being a Japanese one).

At first they were adamant that it couldn't be the employer's number. I spoke to my company's housing department and was told that it is common for agents to request an emergency contact and they spoke to the agent directly. In the end the agency decided to accept the personal mobile phone number of one of the branch managers.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
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Acommodation wise, Japanese people won't mind two 'friends' living together in an apartment, will they?
Nope. My point was that there is no reason at all to talk about your sexual orientation during the job, and if accommodation comes up, don't use the word "partner", as it can be misconstrued.


When my friend and I moved out of our respective Nova apartments and got a private apartment together, Japanese friends and Nova staff laughed about us being gay or acting like a married couple. Nothing serious, just joking.

If the two of you come to Japan together, living together would probably not be seen as strange at all.
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Osailor



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
GABA hires a lot of non-native English teachers, so that will give you some idea of their quality. I believe you also have only 1-on-1 lessons there, which can be tiring even after 40 minutes. Not sure, but I think you might have problems getting enough lessons, so if nobody signed up for you that day, you get no pay. As for leaving, you give a month's notice and go. That's all they are obligated to give you (or pay in lieu thereof)!
So do you think it is even worth us having a job at Gaba waiting for us? Or should we just go over and apply for jobs once we are there? I've got my interview coming up, so I think I'm gonna do it so I have a bit of practice interviewing for ESL jobs.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Worth it"?
Bottom line involves 2 points IMO:

1. How much salary can GABA actually guarantee, and can you live on that?

2. Do you feel comfortable doing nothing except 1-on-1 lessons all day?
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Osailor



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
"Worth it"?


Oh, I mean 'worth it knowing full well that I will be looking for another job when I get there'.
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say that this information is 100% accurate but I work at Heart and have heard various things from the company and from friends who know people in the Mito BoE. Last year there were 15 of us as JHS ALTs in Mito. This year that number was cut to 7, with people being kept on if their schools liked them. The remaining places were taken up by direct hires, but it was part of a program with Mito's sister city in America (Oklahoma I think, there are links with the Christian university there). All indications are that the Mito BoE will move to employ more direct hires next year.

Heart still supplies a lot of people for schools in other parts of Ibaraki, along with Interac and JET. But it's a rural prefecture outside of Mito, and there aren't many Hearts ALTs living in the same area this year. So you might both get a place, and you may be able to live together, but one of you is likely to have a much longer drive to school. Any more questions about the company, feel free to ask.
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