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Who gets taxed on their airfare bonus?
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xjgirl



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:25 am    Post subject: Who gets taxed on their airfare bonus? Reply with quote

As above, who gets taxed on their airfare bonus?
I do, last year July's salary was paid in july, together with a 9000 bonus(airfare) and
junes salary, all taxed.
Now, I wasn't around back then, but I definitely want to avoid this bloody tax massacre. Surely this bonus can be called as an airfare expense and be non-tax deductable?

Edit, i was checking stuff out, and it appears that in the 20000-40000 income bracket, the maximum tax deductable amount would only be 1350rmb


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I aint taxed. 8K cash in hand, but I do have to provide receipt, boarding passes and E-ticket to the HR lady.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, are you talking about Chinese income tax or filing with the IRS in the States?
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, i mean your local chinese tax bureau
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Who get's taxed on their airfare bonus? Reply with quote

xjgirl wrote:
As above, who gets taxed on their airfare bonus?
I do, last year July's salary was paid in july, together with a 9000 bonus(airfare) and
junes salary, all taxed.
Now, I wasn't around back then, but I definitely want to avoid this IRS bloody tax massacre. Surely this bonus can be called as an airfare expense and be non-tax deductable?


xgirl, I have never been taxed on airfare in China after eight years here, but in my latest university my FAO mentioned that I will be taxed on my airfare for this year. Just like you I've been pondering this question over the last couple of days, and would like to know the answer myself. Perhaps the government has made a new rule.

Let's get this clear. Did the FTs who were at your school last year, tell you that that their airfare was added together to their salary, and the total (salary and airfare together) was taxed? If so, that would be a hell of a lot of tax, because the more that you earn the more you are taxed. Shocked It doesn't sound correct to me.

I need to speak to my FAO again, and do some research on this. I'm glad you posted this up.
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xjgirl



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, thats what happened, it was all paid together in july
so got taxed very heavily
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think all of us need to make sure we are asking the right questions these days before signing a contract. To date, I have never been taxed on airfare. However, my school's accounting department has made a new policy that, in order to get a full airfare refund (up to 10,000 rmb), that we must provide a CHINESE red-stamped receipt. Nevermind that most of us do our bookings online using our foreign credit cards, get e-tickets and e-receipts and often fly via non-Chinese air carriers. During the winter holiday, I actually did fly on China Southern, asked the help desk for a receipt as my school required it, and then had to call someone at the school (woke him up on a Sunday morning, poor guy) and he explained it all in Chinese . . . . never got the receipt. However, my school somehow managed to cover all my airfare refund regardless.

I asked someone who delivered the message that how, exactly, were all the teachers at this school (we have 28 currently) were supposed to get Chinese-made receipts with the red chop. This was, after all, 2011 and most of us use the convenient new-fangled way of purchasing tickets. I was told that they would help us through a trusted travel agency. When I found my round trip flight home this summer on Delta airlines' website for the ridiculously low price of 5400 rmb, I called the office and was advised to buy it and they'd, somehow, cover my total cost. ????? I guess rules are always made to be broken or at least circumvented.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I claimed airfare at my school for the first four years, ranged between RMB11000-15000 per year. Never taxed on that, just submit the e-ticket and they deposit to my account a week later.

However our school no longer reimburses for airfare starting this year. Instead they've increased the monthly salaries ~1500, which in my opinion, is better. Same money overall, but no hassles at year's end and you get the money up front.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wage slaves.
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tributary



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't stand up then you'll get screwed... deservedly so

First of all

Taxes are to be applied to EACH individual monthly salary and not a combined single cash payment for more than one pay period - the math works out differently if combined

Technically speaking, airfare is not a reimbursement in all cases. If you are reimbursed, then it's non-taxed. If you are given some payment in lieu of an air ticket, then it's taxable.

You need to be smart on how to obtain this money. Have your contract clear - you get this XXX amount in cash - you need to have that amount whether they take taxes out or not.

It's all in the wording and your employers so-called "policy" as they always claim.

It's screwy to think anyone would allow them to combine multiple money payments into one lump sum and apply the tax to the total.

Make it clear to the powers-that-be ... you "should" in most cases get a flat-sum of cash - not taxed - unless you allowed that to happen in the first place. If you aren't willing to fight them for it, then don't ask the question in the first place.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Who gets taxed on their airfare bonus? Reply with quote

xjgirl wrote:
As above, who gets taxed on their airfare bonus?
I do, last year July's salary was paid in july, together with a 9000 bonus(airfare) and
junes salary, all taxed.
Now, I wasn't around back then, but I definitely want to avoid this bloody tax massacre. Surely this bonus can be called as an airfare expense and be non-tax deductable?

Edit, i was checking stuff out, and it appears that in the 20000-40000 income bracket, the maximum tax deductable amount would only be 1350rmb


According to my calculations you're incorrect. On just 14000 you would pay about 1445
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ymmv



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Who gets taxed on their airfare bonus? Reply with quote

Silent Shadow wrote:


According to my calculations you're incorrect. On just 14000 you would pay about 1445


Actually, 1465. But what's 20 RMB amongst friends.

cf: http://chinajobline.com/index.php/tax-calculator.html
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xjgirl



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah I know all about the tax calculator,

And where did you get this 14000rmb figure from?

Like I said already, in the 20000-40000 bracket
the most you can claim as a tax deductable is 1350
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Silent Shadow



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xjgirl wrote:
yeah I know all about the tax calculator,

And where did you get this 14000rmb figure from?

Like I said already, in the 20000-40000 bracket
the most you can claim as a tax deductable is 1350


Sorry, I thought you meant that you would pay that amount of tax if you earned within that salary range.

I was talking about the amount of tax that the employer would take from your salary. If you earned 20,000 RMB a month you would pay about 3000 RMB tax.

The 14000 is what I would receive if my school payed my monthly salary with my airfare together. It would actually be 13900 (Hence why I mentioned a tax payment of 1445, ymmv. I did say "about", but I appreciate your correction).

Does anybody know if it's legal for schools to tax employees on airfare cash payments (not reimbursements for tickets already bought by the employee)? This is I believe is the question xygirl wants answered (I'd definitely would like to know, too). I've attempted some research on this, but haven't found anything conclusive.
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xjgirl



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My fault, I phrased it badly.

Is there any real difference between a cash payment or a cash reimbursement in the end anyway?
I can easily provide a receipt, does this then make it a reimbursement?

From what I can tell, unless your airfare bonus is paid in monthly installments, it would be difficult to claim it as a tax deductable, as the maximum amounts exempt from tax are very low

". Foreigners' housing allowance, meal allowance, removal expenses and laundry fees in non-cash forms or in the form of cash reimbursement; and business travel allowance, home visit allowance, language training expenses and children's tuition fees at reasonable levels;"


"The portion of income in excess of RMB 5,000 to RMB 20,000
375

The portion of income in excess of RMB 20,000 to RMB 40,000
1375

The portion of income in excess of RMB 40,000 to RMB 60,000
3375"
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