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Is the decline of the US economy affecting EFL in China?
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bradwelljackson



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:44 am    Post subject: Is the decline of the US economy affecting EFL in China? Reply with quote

With the USA now on the decline, and China on the rise, is the interest in learning English also starting to decline? With China becoming ascendant, won't Chinese be the language of the future, and therefore, interest in learning English become passe'?
So, just to make sure that this is a job-related post, what I really want to know specifically is if demand for English teachers is going down in China (as a result of the decline of the USA and the West in general)?
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7969



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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dean_a_jones



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: Is the decline of the US economy affecting EFL in China? Reply with quote

bradwelljackson wrote:
With China becoming ascendant, won't Chinese be the language of the future, and therefore, interest in learning English become passe'?


No way on the first part of that, not with the written language as it is. As for the second, I see no evidence whatsoever of a decline. You are here, right? Do you?
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Zimmer



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think demand will change much, but I could see it having an effect on the job market here as more and more unemployed Americans look to overseas jobs.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the english speaking world makes up how much of the world's
economy?

usa, canada, britain, australia, new zealand, miscellaneous english-
speaking colonies and protectorates, countries with a second
language of english.......
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bradwelljackson wrote:
Is the decline of the US economy affecting EFL in China?


Yes, in that there are now more Americans than ever seeking work in China.
The side effect is that salaries are not increasing and benefits are being reduced, Schools are now asking for more teaching hours without increasing salaries.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rogerwilco speaks the truth; a lot more Americans here than ever before.

But to answer the question: No.

The fact that America is economically suffering has no bearing on the importance of English. English is not important because of America, that would be very ethnocentric to believe so. It's the international language of business, and high school students have to perform well in order to get into a decent university.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a thread last year or the year before where a poster claimed thousands of unemployed teachers from the US were on their way to China looking for work. If that's true I'd be interested in seeing the data that showed the true numbers (or any numbers). Some demographics too maybe? Age group?
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
There was a thread last year or the year before where a poster claimed thousands of unemployed teachers from the US were on their way to China looking for work. If that's true I'd be interested in seeing the data that showed the true numbers (or any numbers). Some demographics too maybe? Age group?


Maybe you can dig up that thread and ask that poster directly if you have some doubt about it; I can only speak for myself coming across more Americans than ever before and more American resumes than ever before.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
the english speaking world makes up how much of the world's
economy?

usa, canada, britain, australia, new zealand, miscellaneous english-
speaking colonies and protectorates, countries with a second
language of english.......


You missed a large chunk of Africa. You think Chinese businessmen in Africa or the Middle East use anything but English to do business?

45 countries use English as a first language. 100+ others as a second language. It is by far the most used language in entertainment, business, and advertising. It is by far the most learned language.

Aviation laws, maritime rules... international trade, the Internet.... the list is endless.

English is here to stay for now.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are three Americans in my li'l outpost of progress. The rest are Australians (about 12 or so). Australia has its share of employment problems, and it's cheaper to fly them here.
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Opiate



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The short answer to all of your questions is...NO.
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xiguagua



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any idea how EXPENSIVE and time consuming it would be for all the countries learning English to suddenly stop teaching English and start teaching Chinese? Yeah........possibly 100 years or more from now if China can somehow keep up their insane growth.....but none of us will be alive to see it.



^^ actually this is my exact same response to students who naively ask the same question.
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mrwslee003



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NO!
English as a language of international commerce, aviation, etc does not go up and down responding to the whims of the US economy.

English is more established as one of the most used languages than any other language in the world. The suggestion that the US is declining in economics does not mean it is going to drop off the face of the earth. It will take decades for the US to fade as an economic power, if it ever. The mear number of people in the US and its high tech sector will guarantee its dominance in the international market for a long time to come. Creativity in the US population is another strength to hold up its dominant position. So counting the US out so easily would be folly and imprudent.

Therefore, English will not diminish in importance in China in the near future. I think it is safe to say more Chinese will be bilingual in increasing numbers, that is to say being able to speak English and Chinese, as their
economy expands.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me rephrase my answer:

Demand will not go down, the demand will always be there. But there may be less available jobs because there are more American teachers. I recently found my job threatened (but not in jeopardy) because a young American 'college grad' came to my school promising to work for a very low salary and willing to work long hours.
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