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Teaching at DOD US govt schools?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Teaching at DOD US govt schools? Reply with quote

I've been trying to think of how to solidify my teaching career and have been told that it might be worth it to try to get into DOD schools. I've taught in intl schools before and didn't exactly enjoy it due to all the stress and paperwork. Also, having a non-teaching spouse makes finds schools all that harder. I'd also have to go back to the US (I think) and get my certs turned into full licenses.

I actually prefer teaching uni level, but it's not exactly as stable as teaching K to 12.

Anyone here taught at a DOD school? Did you enjoy it? What are the working hours and paperwork like? How much time off did you get? Any other info that you have would be useful.

Thanks so much
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't taught at them but my kids were in DOD schools on Okinawa. The teachers had base/commissary/PX privileges and they could fly space A on military flights. Pretty much like teaching in the US, with the same vacations. Military parents are usually quite good about offering to help out for field trips and projects, and their commands usually support them in this if time permits. The vast majority of the students speak English as a native language.

It's a good job with good pay and benefits if you can deal with kids.

Let is know what you discover and whether you pursue a job with DOD.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariadne wrote:
Pretty much like teaching in the US, with the same vacations. .


to me that kind of reads like, "overworked, underpaid, and little vacation" how do DOD schools compare? I' mean, you're taxed, right? As a teacher in the US, my mom only gets 66% of her salary, the rest goes to taxes, union fees, etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I'm not saying it's perfect, but most people who aren't teachers have jobs that don't include summer/Christmas/Spring Break holidays. I don't know about the taxes, but I'm sure you'll check on that before you accept a salary. With so many teachers out of work back home, the DOD jobs are probably pretty competitive about now. The job offers security, decent pay and benefits. Along with those things come some not so great things too I guess.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariadne wrote:
Hey, I'm not saying it's perfect, but most people who aren't teachers have jobs that don't include summer/Christmas/Spring Break holidays. I don't know about the taxes, but I'm sure you'll check on that before you accept a salary. With so many teachers out of work back home, the DOD jobs are probably pretty competitive about now. The job offers security, decent pay and benefits. Along with those things come some not so great things too I guess.


I guess so. And with not having advantages, such as being a vet, or army wife, I'd be at a disadvantage.

i think for the moment, I'll stick to uni and then see if I can get into admin or something like that.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have looked into this. The job offer I looked at but did not apply for required 1 year minimum experience teaching at a US public high school. That was, in fact, why I did not apply. A woman I went to teaching school with did apply anyway and got an interview, probably because it was by the US Navy and her husband was an officer. But even with said pull she was politely told to go get at least 1 year of experience (figure this translates into 2-3 years for most of us). As best I can tell, the pay and benefits are very good. There may be ways around the 1 year of experience requirement, but I did not press the issue. Overall it seemed liked a great deal, although you will work the same as if you were at a US public school as I imagine it is run along the same guidelines. The pay was better than most public schools, but certainly not up there with States like California.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fladude wrote:
I have looked into this. The job offer I looked at but did not apply for required 1 year minimum experience teaching at a US public high school. That was, in fact, why I did not apply. A woman I went to teaching school with did apply anyway and got an interview, probably because it was by the US Navy and her husband was an officer. But even with said pull she was politely told to go get at least 1 year of experience (figure this translates into 2-3 years for most of us). As best I can tell, the pay and benefits are very good. There may be ways around the 1 year of experience requirement, but I did not press the issue. Overall it seemed liked a great deal, although you will work the same as if you were at a US public school as I imagine it is run along the same guidelines. The pay was better than most public schools, but certainly not up there with States like California.


Right, ditto goes for IL. I guess it's something like number 10 for pay, BUt I don't know if that includes all the extra perks and benefits.
I HAVE teaching experience, about two years in intl schools, but the rest is a bit of kindergarten and I'm at my 6th year at uni. So I don't know.

At this point in time, I REALLY like my five months vacation, minimal lesson plans, no parents, and 20 hours of work.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:

I HAVE teaching experience, about two years in intl schools, but the rest is a bit of kindergarten and I'm at my 6th year at uni. So I don't know.


I don't know if it would count or not.... you know how America is.... It punishes you for leaving the plantation. Your experience might count enough to get you the job, but it would not count towards your pay scale. That's the one problem with working overseas, it rarely counts. For example, I'm leaving Alaska to work in Guatemala. I've already been told that if I come back, I'll be coming back as a 2nd year teacher. They won't give me the salary of say a 4 year teacher (assuming I work in Guat for 2 years). Even though I am working under contract it won't count. I'm still going overseas, but the attitude the US has to working overseas is bizarre (and encourages you to either never leave or never come back basically.... which is fine with me). They take the position that America is the best place to be, and your decision to leave was because of your own personal problems (rather than a genuine desire to learn about and work in other cultures).

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At this point in time, I REALLY like my five months vacation, minimal lesson plans, no parents, and 20 hours of work.
Yeah. Lesson plans vary a lot by school and grade level. You can get away with not doing much in the way of lesson plans in a lot of high schools, but probably not in elementary.

It sounds like the job you have now is better than working in the USA. I can't even imagine working in an elementary school in the US given all the crap they have to put up with. US high schools aren't too bad, but you have to be able to deal with high school kids (which I am good at but I've seen it break some teachers). The grass is always greener, but it might really be greener where you are at. Getting into admin sounds like a good plan to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the plan is to stay here for a bit, work at unis and then see if we can emigrate to Europe in five or ten years. And open a hostel or something like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just throwing this out there, another type of DOD school is the one (DLIELC) I work at in Texas. The job conditions simulate the EFL lifestyle about as closely as you can while having a job in the US. We travel (I'm in Djibouti at the moment) and have all the benefits of civil servants plus we only teach adults:) Of course, we don't get five months of paid vacation but who does in the US?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an interesting program.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sadebugo - I would also appreciate hearing more of your perspective on strategies for getting your job. What kind of experience do they value most? Is experience in certain parts of the world more highly valued than in others? Is it better to have an M.A. TESOL from an American than British uni? Is it all about having an inside contact? Is post-masters experience regarded higher than pre-masters? Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the last two posters, I'm reluctant to predict what qualifications would increase your chances other than what is posted in the job adverts. Applying for any government job is a multi-stage process that even those hired never fully understand. Sorry I couldn't help more.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they just place an ad?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some kind of insight or observations into the 'company culture,' and/or hiring process would have been welcome. You talk a lot about the positives of your job and it does sound very appealing.
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