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Liquidhazel
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 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: Bachelor's/Associate's degree needed to work in Vietnam? |
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Hey all. I looked on the Vietnam message board but I was unable to find a clear answer in regards to this. I've also Googled it but keep getting mixed results. I'm interested in teaching at Vietnam, but I don't have my degree yet. Can I still teach there? I am TEFL certified and am from the U.S.A. Do they require an Associates and/or Bachelor' degree to work there? At the bare minimum if they required an Associate's degree that wouldn't be too bad as I'm only 3 classes away from that 
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Sudz
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Yes and no. You should be able to find some kind of work, but not legal work. You do technically need a work permit to work here, and one of the requirements to getting this is a degree.
I personally don't have a degree, but got into the school many years ago before the work permit was a big deal. However, I've heard from others at my school that, unless we're able to get the work permit sorted by May, then it's goodbye.
You can find work, but probably not at the more desirable schools. It's also worth noting that Vietnam has become a more popular teaching destination over the years, so there is more competition.
Good luck.
(Btw, I'm not sure about the Associates degree. I've known people who have gotten in on a college certificate though. I know Taiwan will accept an AA and a TESL certificate). |
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just noel
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Sudz is correct.
It's "yes and no."
Yes, in that you can find work. But the quality and the number of schools open to you is small and getting smaller.
I travel between Hanoi and HCMC, and Hanoi seems to have really tightened up. More scrutiny from authorities. Degrees, CELTA/tefl, crim check, etc are wanted immediately for the first interview.
In HCMC there are more schools and it's a bigger city but without a degree the options are limited.
These limited options are working for smaller mom-and-pop schools, and lower tier schools with fewer resources, lower wages and somtimes, payment problems.
And I agree with Sudz on the work permit deadlines. This applies to some schools but not all. The authorities will be forcing some schools to layoff teachers who cannot get a work permit.
That said, the work permit is still a tangled and confusing process. |
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Liquidhazel
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Thank you very much! I do feel a bit bummed, but that's okay, it will give me the extra motivation I need to finish my Bachelor's degree.
Sudz-So in Taiwan all I need is an Associate's degree and a TEFL certificate? That's GREAT news!! |
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LettersAthruZ
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Concur completely with Sudz and Noel..... however, I dunno about this -
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And I agree with Sudz on the work permit deadlines. This applies to some schools but not all. The authorities will be forcing some schools to layoff teachers who cannot get a work permit.
That said, the work permit is still a tangled and confusing process. |
Yepper here we go again.....
...just as the sun rises in the Eastern horizon 365 times each year, The Powers That Be are keeping them thar T�y on their toes!
Seems the scary rubbish alternates each year from The Ministry of Propaganda -
- The one year.....it's visa renewals and such
- Followed by the next year....when they threaten about work
Permits
- Upon reaching the following solar cycle, visas/visa renewals
and such, it is prophetized, will be impossible to obtain......
....and so it goes......
Last CONCRETE action I recall was September 2009, when they actually DID eliminate the six-and-twelve-month visas and capped the maximum stay on one single visa at 3 months.....other than that, though......
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yogurtpooh
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| Don't worry about the work permit. I got all my degrees notified and certified for nothing. My "legit" school didn't even bother to do or mention that. I know tons of other people working for "legit" English centers without any notion of a work permit. You can definitely find work here without a degree. Perhaps, not directly at an English center, but in one friend's case, they might push you into a public school system with 45 students, no AC, and only one or two kids really cares enough to learn. Oh well, hopefully you are white with blue eyes... that will surely help your process. |
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Sudz
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| Sudz-So in Taiwan all I need is an Associate's degree and a TEFL certificate? That's GREAT news!! |
Yep that's what I've heard over on the Taiwan forum. |
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Liquidhazel
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| Wow, lots of information. So much to think about. I will be heading to China in January to teach for 6 months through an internship with the school I got TEFL certified from. When I come home, I'm leaning towards finishing up my AA and heading to Taiwan. I'm going to keep an open-mind about Vietnam though, as it is definitely on my list of places I want to teach at one day. |
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AngelinaShu
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| yogurtpooh wrote: |
| Don't worry about the work permit. I got all my degrees notified and certified for nothing. My "legit" school didn't even bother to do or mention that. I know tons of other people working for "legit" English centers without any notion of a work permit. You can definitely find work here without a degree. Perhaps, not directly at an English center, but in one friend's case, they might push you into a public school system with 45 students, no AC, and only one or two kids really cares enough to learn. Oh well, hopefully you are white with blue eyes... that will surely help your process. |
Hello, i am planning to arrive to Vietnam mid January. I have a 100hr Tesol cert and a college diploma. People say that the hiring slows down during Chinese new year. is it true? and will there be more jobs in February? |
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inhanoi
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Hi Angelina. Yes, your information is correct. I've been cautioned by my school that things are already slowing down due to the fact that Tet is a bit early this year (late January). And they should pick up again in February.
Fortunately for myself and my coworkers, our school guarantees payment for a minimum number of hours, so we are protected from these ups and downs. |
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AngelinaShu
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| inhanoi wrote: |
Hi Angelina. Yes, your information is correct. I've been cautioned by my school that things are already slowing down due to the fact that Tet is a bit early this year (late January). And they should pick up again in February.
Fortunately for myself and my coworkers, our school guarantees payment for a minimum number of hours, so we are protected from these ups and downs. |
Great! thank you for the information, do you happen to know whether it picks up right after TET .or is it a slow process until it gets back to normal?... I am hoping to find a job latest by the end of February.On your opinion is it possible? |
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inhanoi
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| Hi again. I'm probably not the best person to ask but I can tell you what I've been told, which is many schools will probably start up classes again on January 30 (again which is unusually early this year, that's when the break began last year). So one could assume that your late February target should work, even if it's a slow start-up. |
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TimkinMS
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| I've been told, which is many schools will probably start up classes again on January 30 (again which is unusually early this year, that's when the break began last year). So one could assume that your late February target should work, even if it's a slow start-up. |
Tet begins on January 23rd this year. Last year was a later start of Tet
In Saigon private language schools will re-open sooner. Some might start on the 30th, but that's only 7 days off. Most will take 10 days off.
Unis will be on longer break, at about 3 weeks or so.
In Hanoi, it will take much longer, and Hanoi goes into a slow down post-tet. Yes, schools will open in Hanoi 10 days later if they are private language centers. But new classes won't be starting frequently, and Uni exam-study time begins.
Schools in Hanoi do not hire much after Tet, unless they are replacing people that have left for good. |
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AngelinaShu
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| TimkinMS wrote: |
| inhanoi wrote: |
| I've been told, which is many schools will probably start up classes again on January 30 (again which is unusually early this year, that's when the break began last year). So one could assume that your late February target should work, even if it's a slow start-up. |
Tet begins on January 23rd this year. Last year was a later start of Tet
In Saigon private language schools will re-open sooner. Some might start on the 30th, but that's only 7 days off. Most will take 10 days off.
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Thank you for the reply. You said that there isn't many jobs available in Hanoi after Tet. What about finding a job in Ho Chi Minh? When will language schools in HCM start hiring teachers? I want to find a job by the end of February? |
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Mattingly
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| AngelinaShu wrote: |
| TimkinMS wrote: |
| inhanoi wrote: |
| I've been told, which is many schools will probably start up classes again on January 30 (again which is unusually early this year, that's when the break began last year). So one could assume that your late February target should work, even if it's a slow start-up. |
Tet begins on January 23rd this year. Last year was a later start of Tet
In Saigon private language schools will re-open sooner. Some might start on the 30th, but that's only 7 days off. Most will take 10 days off.
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Thank you for the reply. You said that there isn't many jobs available in Hanoi after Tet. What about finding a job in Ho Chi Minh? When will language schools in HCM start hiring teachers? I want to find a job by the end of February? |
Remember to bring a cash cushion.
What is your background and quals in teaching EFL, if you don't mind my query. |
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