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Trident



Joined: 30 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: MA Questions Reply with quote

Hi everyone! I'm a newbie on here but not to TEFL or Japan. After nearly 5 years' post-CELTA experience, I'm thinking of taking the plunge and doing a Masters' Course, with a view to trying to secure a full-time, Japanese uni post. I'd therefore be grateful for any thoughts and/or advice on the following:-

1. Which course to take, ie an MA in Linguistics, Applied Linguistics, TESOL, Applied Linguistics (TESOL), TEFL/TESL, Education (TESOL), etc, etc, etc??? Is one course particularly preferred over the others or are they all much of a muchness?

2. I don't really want to study part-time/by distance, so am thinking of doing the full-time, one year course. The problem is where? Courses in the UK (I'm British) are getting much more expensive now plus I'd prefer to live somewhere else for a year, so am thinking of other countries including, interestingly, some non-native-English-speaking countries such as Holland. However, I've heard that Japanese university employers have a list of preferred unis so I don't want to waste my time and money studying in "the wrong place". Has anyone heard the same or better still, does anyone know who or what is on said list??

Thanks in advance for any replies! yoroshiku onegaishimasu.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: MA Questions Reply with quote

Trident wrote:
1. Which course to take, ie an MA in Linguistics, Applied Linguistics, TESOL, Applied Linguistics (TESOL), TEFL/TESL, Education (TESOL), etc, etc, etc??? Is one course particularly preferred over the others or are they all much of a muchness?
How do you want to apply the degree? If it's just a foot in the uni door, any of those will probably do as well as the others.

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2. However, I've heard that Japanese university employers have a list of preferred unis so I don't want to waste my time and money studying in "the wrong place". Has anyone heard the same or better still, does anyone know who or what is on said list??
Never heard of such a list. Where did you get that information? Just get your degree from an accredited uni, learn some Japanese, get at least 3 papers published in peer-reviewed (preferably international) journals, and you will have the bare minimum for most uni jobs. See the FAQ stickies for more news.
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Trident



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply Glenski!

To be honest, I have no particular leaning towards of any of the courses, so long as they're viewed equally by university employers. Someone told me about that list but I've not been able to find it myself, hence the question. Would be useful to know though! Thanks again!
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Vince



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that there's any such list. As Glenski said, just make sure it's from a legitimate school. Avoiding distance degrees is probably a good way to go, if only because of pervasive stereotypes of them. For that same reason, I would think twice about getting the degree outside of one of the major English-speaking countries.
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reddevil79



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the question about differences in applied linguistics, TESOL, etc., I would say think carefully about your choice as there are some significant differences.

Applied linguistics is a much broader look at language theory and learning, while TESOL places more emphasis on methodology and classroom practice. I friend of mine completed his masters in TESOL a couple of years back, and I�ve just completed mine in Applied linguistics, and while there was some overlap in our studies, it was clear that our courses each had a very different focus.

Have a good look the course details and the modules on offer.
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reddevil79 wrote:
On the question about differences in applied linguistics, TESOL, etc., I would say think carefully about your choice as there are some significant differences.

Applied linguistics is a much broader look at language theory and learning, while TESOL places more emphasis on methodology and classroom practice. I friend of mine completed his masters in TESOL a couple of years back, and I�ve just completed mine in Applied linguistics, and while there was some overlap in our studies, it was clear that our courses each had a very different focus.

Have a good look the course details and the modules on offer.
Seconded.

I would add that if you're genuinely interested in teaching methodology over an academic take on the subject, seek out the MAs/MScs with practica.
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It's Scary!



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that my M.Ed. in TESOL (TUJ...no longer offered in Fukuoka) had a good mix of history, theory, and practice. In fact, I was surprised (recently) that many of my colleagues were visually surprised when they learned of the French influence on English pronunciation and lexicon.

This was basic to my TUJ studies.

It's an eye-opening experience!
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Trident



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice guys - much appreciated! At the end of the day it's probably all going to come down to cost, which is a shame because some of the interesting-looking courses I've seen are SO expensive! I guess you get what you pay for, and all that!
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reddevil79 wrote:

Applied linguistics is a much broader look at language theory and learning, while TESOL places more emphasis on methodology and classroom practice. I friend of mine completed his masters in TESOL a couple of years back, and I�ve just completed mine in Applied linguistics, and while there was some overlap in our studies, it was clear that our courses each had a very different focus.


While this is true at some universities, it isn't for all of them. Language teaching is one application of linguistics. Another is speech pathology. When you do a degree in applied linguistics, you are doing a degree in one application of it (and when that masters degree does not include an undergraduate degree in linguistics as a prerequisite -or a significant number of courses to make up the difference- then it's very probably going to be in language teaching). There would be no point in universities teaching people to be amateur speech pathologists as well as amateur language instructors. And universities that were hiring language instructors wouldn't consider that type of degree as equivalent to a degree in language teaching. And yet they DO consider the two things to be the same.

The name of any particular program at a university is part of what the university uses to market their program. Some people like the way "Applied Linguistics" sounds like it's 'hard' and therefore if they have a degree in it, then they must be 'smart' (because the average guy on the street may have no idea of what it is). Other people like the way TESOL includes the word "teaching", and therefore they are 'real' teachers if they have that degree as opposed to a 'dry theory degree' like "Applied Linguistics". If a program is housed in a linguistics department, then the university is obviously going to lean towards calling the program "Applied Linguistics". If it's housed in a faculty of education, then the program is more likely to be called TESOL, or Second Language Education or something like that with the term "teaching" or "Education" in it. Still other programs are actually stand-alone programs not affiliated with a department (or may be cross affiliated with both linguistics or education or even listed in the humanities department, or even the English department of a school of humanities). I know of one university offering a master's degree in "Applied Linguistics (TEFL)" and a prerequisite to get in is a one-year certificate in TESL. (All of the universities in Ontario, Canada require a one-year university or college certificate in TESL / TESOL as prerequisite for the masters. The practicum is done in the certificate level. The certificate is like doing a one-year B.Ed to teach in LINC programs, and then the master's is for teaching at the university or college level. The masters in language teaching- either TESOL or Applied Lingusitics- is normally an initial qualification in the the area everywhere else in that there is no prerequisite for an undergrad in "TESOL" or "Applied Linguistics" (which is probably good since that isn't a subject you can usually major in, in English speaking areas {I think you actually CAN major in TESOL as an undergrad in an English-medium university in Quebec, Canada, and probably others, too)).

It's like calling a degree in the history of music a degree in 'Musicology'. If you are majoring in the history of music then you are actually majoring in historical musicology- because 'musicology' can mean things other than history as well (and in fact, the term means 'classical' music, not jazz or popular music or the music of other cultures because those are placed under the heading of 'ethnomusicology'). Other people who study the same thing are doing a degree called "Music History" (just like "Art History" but for music instead of the visual arts).

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ETA sometimes it seems that this topic is almost the same as the "Which martial art is like, the best for like, totally flipping out with devastating attacks that crush and demolish your opponent or opponents?" that pop up on places like bigdaikon every now and then. And then everybody replies by saying "the one I did, of course!" Then they proceed to talk about what they did (which is usually very good) but have no (or very little) idea what other people did and are doing, and just make generalizations about others based on some advertising they read or generalizations that they got from someplace else.
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base5555



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy teaching ESL quite a bit but I wanted a degree that was a little less specialized and one that would open a few more doors. So I chose a MS in Teaching & Curriculum Design from Drexel University (which is a pretty good school in the States with an online option). Once finished I can apply for a teaching license which will open the door to International schools as well as ESL. Anyways, something to consider.
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