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hawki1989
Joined: 24 Nov 2011 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: TEFL questions and advice wanted... |
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Good evening everyone!
I'm Thomas!! Just signed up today and was hoping to get a bit of advice from more experience people that have probably gone through the hesitations of the 'beginning period' of the TEFL experience!
Full disclosure: I have just graduated with a BA in American Studies from the UK (American history, culture and politics), I have some, not loads, but some experience in public school teaching (ages 10-11) in a voluntary capacity. I am currently learning Spanish and would say that I am 'conversationally' efficient? Also, I have today finished a 120 hours TEFL (online course) with TEFL express. Although I have read, pretty much straight away, that on-line courses do not hold as much merit as classroom courses (obviously, I suppose). My intent in life is to teach! That's my passion. However, before I do this, I want to do some travelling and actually get some experience behind me. Since graduating in Jan, I have been constantly applying for teaching assistant jobs to no avail; so abroad searches seem the most obvious course of action!
One of my questions is... how were you sure? I'm quite afraid of the first step... I have this fear that I'll get a job, leave the country and be left all alone, ya know?
A typically question, but any suggestions as to where is a 'safe bet' for new TEFL teachers to begin? I'm from the UK, so I was thinking somewhere in Europe... just on the basis of comfort, closeness to home and the links we have with the EU! What are people's experiences with different places!?
Finally, do you have any advice for now..? What is a good plan of action, having completed 'most' of the requirements to teach English abroad?
Hope you all are okay and I look forward to hearing your replies and making friends on here!
Thank you!!
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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You might want to consider renaming the subject of this post so people know what the heck it's about.
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One of my questions is... how were you sure? I'm quite afraid of the first step... I have this fear that I'll get a job, leave the country and be left all alone, ya know? |
Sure about what? Getting into TEFL seriously, or sure about the specific job to apply for, or choosing the right country?
You sound serious about TEFL. (Might want to reread your post and fix a bit of grammar, though, even in a discussion forum.)
You have not mentioned any specific types of teaching jobs or countries that interest you. "Teaching assistant" is not very clear to me, other than perhaps being in a public school situation. Would you be willing to be a solo FT teacher? How about in a conversation school? Are you familiar with the difference between that and a public school situation? It sounds like some basic research is needed.
I can't answer your question about locations as "safe bets". Perhaps you don't want to be far from your home country for some reason. Have you ever lived away from the UK or your family for extended periods? Do you think you'll be able to make friends (foreigners) fairly easily? Are you content sticking to yourself?
I'd say consider what countries' cultures seem to interest you, then learn a bit about what it's like to work and live there. Make a timeline, too, so knowing when you should apply will help your planning. Above all, don't rush into things. |
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Shroob
Joined: 02 Aug 2010 Posts: 1339
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Good evening everyone! |
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hawki1989 wrote: |
Good evening everyone!
I'm Thomas!! Just signed up today and was hoping to get a bit of advice from more experience people that have probably gone through the hesitations of the 'beginning period' of the TEFL experience!
Full disclosure: I have just graduated with a BA in American Studies from the UK (American history, culture and politics), I have some, not loads, but some experience in public school teaching (ages 10-11) in a voluntary capacity. I am currently learning Spanish and would say that I am 'conversationally' efficient? Also, I have today finished a 120 hours TEFL (online course) with TEFL express. Although I have read, pretty much straight away, that on-line courses do not hold as much merit as classroom courses (obviously, I suppose). My intent in life is to teach! That's my passion. However, before I do this, I want to do some travelling and actually get some experience behind me. Since graduating in Jan, I have been constantly applying for teaching assistant jobs to no avail; so abroad searches seem the most obvious course of action! |
Look at the reasons why you wan't to go abroad, I'm not knocking the idea but I've heard of too many people leaving their country for the wrong reasons. The grass isn't always greener and the shock can be overwhelming for some. Think hard about why you want to leave the UK and also, as Glenski said, where you want to go.
hawki1989 wrote: |
One of my questions is... how were you sure? I'm quite afraid of the first step... I have this fear that I'll get a job, leave the country and be left all alone, ya know? |
Personaly I knew I wanted to live away from the UK while I could, young, no family, no mortgage so now seemed the ideal time. Later in life it may be harder (not impossibe but more things to take into account). It's valid to fear being alone, after all, you are moving away from all your friends and family. Though I have not felt alone at all. I think that's more to do with being at a uni in China where the students like me. I can also recommend CouchSurfing, use it to find expats/friendly people in the area you are going. I was given this tip to find an 'escape route' if the school/job went horribly wrong, it's always good to know someone on the 'outside'. A pretty smart tip in all honesty.
hawki1989 wrote: |
A typically question, but any suggestions as to where is a 'safe bet' for new TEFL teachers to begin? I'm from the UK, so I was thinking somewhere in Europe... just on the basis of comfort, closeness to home and the links we have with the EU! What are people's experiences with different places!? |
The safest bet is Asia. If you wanted to work in Europe for the first time I'd upgrade your online certificate to a CELTA or equivalent, there's so many CELTA graduates out there now. It's also the wrong time to be looking for work in Europe, there's a slight increase in employment in January though, but you've missed the main highering season. Also, with Europe the majority of jobs are found on the street, by walking into the school with a CV in hand. This means start up costs can be high.
My personal experience is similar to yours, I looked for jobs in Europe first. Thinking that being closer to home it would be better. I was searching the internet but found no jobs that appealed to me, if I was going to do this I wanted to be 100% sure I was leaving everything behind for a job I liked the sound of. I then began to look at China, a country I'd always wanted to go to and found the job where I am now and haven't looked back.
[quote="hawki1989"]Finally, do you have any advice for now..? What is a good plan of action, having completed 'most' of the requirements to teach English abroad?[quiote]
If you want to teach in Europe get the CELTA or equivalent, I'm afraid online certs just won't cut it. Look at the job adverts, see what employers want.
I would sit down, think about WHERE you want to teach, weigh up the advantages and disadvantages and make a decision. Then take the steps in order to get there.
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Hope you all are okay and I look forward to hearing your replies and making friends on here |
spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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On getting a job and getting started in Europe:
Shroob is correct that an online cert will be substandard on the European job market - it doesnt' include supervised teaching practice with actual students, which is the key to a CELTA or equivalent cert. This is what most newbies on the job market here have, so anything less puts you at a disadvantage.
Your best bet would be to come over in late August/early September - Shroob is also correct that the hiring season is Sept., with a smaller bump in January. And that you need to be here to get a real hearing -there are simply lots of teachers here in person, so reputable schools don't usually need to hire sight unseen.
If you decide on Europe, here is a possible scenario for you:
sign up for a CELTA or equivalent course in the city/country where you want to work. The training centre will help you out with logistics like airport pickup, local orientation, and housing during the course. Your practice students will be really representative of those you'll be working with when you start. Other trainees can form your first social network. The training centre can give you invaluable info regarding good local employers, and you can be sure your cert will be recognised.
Taking a course in country can be a useful bridge into a new country/culture. |
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hawki1989
Joined: 24 Nov 2011 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you very much for your replies.
Apologies also for the grammatical errors. I was doing nights and decided to send it before work to get a response as quickly as possible, whilst working.
Glenski wrote: |
Sure about what? Getting into TEFL seriously, or sure about the specific job to apply for, or choosing the right country? |
All of the above really! I originally posted with the intent on figuring out whether everyone went through this "period" of apprehension that I am going through at the moment. I am "ready" to start applying for jobs, but still cautious about the whole TEFL experience. Did you guys just think "right I'm going to do it" or was there a little 'self-coaxing'?
Glenski wrote: |
You have not mentioned any specific types of teaching jobs or countries that interest you. "Teaching assistant" is not very clear to me, other than perhaps being in a public school situation. Would you be willing to be a solo FT teacher? How about in a conversation school? Are you familiar with the difference between that and a public school situation? It sounds like some basic research is needed. |
What I intended to do with the whole TA comment was to highlight some classroom experience, that was all. I, of course, would be very willing to fly solo as a FT teacher. This is the first time I have come across the term 'language school', so perhaps some research is in order. Could I have a very brief differential/positive-negative summary of them both? But like I have suggested, I am completely 'fresh' to this situation. I am a blank slate in regards to TEFL and I was hoping to talk to some people about their experiences and what they did, in regards to answering their own personal questions, from the offset. I also inserted the 'learning Spanish' comment because I was hoping to carry on this in some capacity, so perhaps Spain or Latin America. Ultimately, I am wanting to do my PGCE in Primary so I would like to use TEFL to accomplish two goals that I have: to travel and to gain experience for a PGCE. To this end I wouldn't rule out ANY country, however I guess experience with Spanish would help me in a Spanish-speaking country (haha ) Do you think that is plausable goal for TEFL? |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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'Language school' in Spain and the rest of Europe are privately-owned or franchise schools that basically send teachers out to businesses and/or do some in-house classes for children to adults. They tend to be the largest employers for entry-level teachers, and pay is generally just about enough to live on, but likely not more.
In some parts of Europe their primary source of revenue is businesspeople, and I understand that in Spain these days there is quite a lot of teaching children going on in-house. The ratio will depend where you go exactly.
I suggest you might want to post in the General Europe and General Latin America boards below where you will find others who have direct experience in the regions you're interested in. The primary work types vary by region, and here you will get advice that's not necessarily geared towards the regions you are interested in - though general advice, so long as it's clear where in the world it's coming from, can obviously be valuable as well. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:53 am Post subject: |
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hawki1989 wrote: |
I originally posted with the intent on figuring out whether everyone went through this "period" of apprehension that I am going through at the moment. I am "ready" to start applying for jobs, but still cautious about the whole TEFL experience. Did you guys just think "right I'm going to do it" or was there a little 'self-coaxing'? |
I will refrain from answering because our situations are so vastly different:
I came in from another career.
I had been in Japan before (different line of work, plus vacationing).
I am much older.
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This is the first time I have come across the term 'language school', so perhaps some research is in order. Could I have a very brief differential/positive-negative summary of them both? |
Uh, both what?
Conversation school/language school in Japan is usually where people go to take lessons that they pay for. Old and young alike. Lessons are to refresh their memory of junior and senior high (if students have graduated) grammar, or for the school-age kids and younger, they are meant to teach the grammar and vocabulary a bit. In either case, students get the chance to practice speaking and listening. They just don't get that much in public school here.
Classes are small, 2-10. Lesson length varies from 45 to 90 minutes. Usually no homework or tests. Often there is a placement oral exam.
If you mean by "both" the public school system, then the biggest differences are as follows:
public school usually hires ALTs, not direct teachers.
public school classes are 30-40 in size.
You actually have a textbook that is "government approved".
Hours are different; public schools don't operate on Sat/Sun or after 5pm.
If you want advice about Spanish-speaking countries, perhaps you should also visit the appropriate country-specific forums. |
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desertdawg
Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 206
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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"He who dares Rodney!"
Apply like mad. Jobs on Dave's, in the Guardian, Times Educational Supplement, tefl.com etc. You might be lucky. School short of a teacher due to extra business or runners. Might be some UK work in the year round language schools.
The only way to know is actually to do it. Don't know how much cash you have. I was in a similar position a long time ago. In those days it was easier to get a job from the UK than it is now I think. So accommodation and a bit of stability with a regular income awaited you once you'd taken the plunge.
But who knows? Combine a bit of travelling with work. China or Asia spring to mind. Or do as Spiral says and really go for it with a CELTA in your destination.
Best of luck. Sounds like you have your head screwed on with a liking for teaching so far and a wish to do a PGCE in the future. Live a little first and enjoy while getting some experience teaching in foreign countries |
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