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kona

Joined: 17 Sep 2011 Posts: 188 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:58 am Post subject: MA TESOL and opportunities |
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Hi everyone, just wanted to say thank you for all the informative posts it really helps out all of us learning about the job market in Vietnam.
I'm currently attending grad school for a MA TESOL state side and am wondering what sort of job options I have abroad after I graduate this Spring. I don't have a whole lot of experience, just one year as a school counselor, one year as a middle school teacher (however I am not k-12 certified, it was a special contract that was worked out between a non-profit and the school district), 6 months ESL in Mexico, and one year as a juvenile parole officer (if that counts for anything). I also have a 140 hr TEFL certificate but I don't know if that means anything once I have an MA TESOL.
I'd like to make enough money to live well and also to pay off my student loans (30k once I graduate), can this be done in Vietnam or should I bank on South Korea instead? |
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kona

Joined: 17 Sep 2011 Posts: 188 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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snollygoster wrote: |
hiring season -Any time-they hire all year round
qualifications- Varies from Uni to Uni. Generally BA +TESOL/CELTA-some will hire with almost NO quals. Quals and Exp, the more the better.
Are holidays paid?- Not usually, but depends on the Uni.
housing or a stipend- Not usually-those in the countryside do sometimes.
side gigs - No problem
payscale- From about $20 P hr but I have seen $60 quoted, but don't know anyone who has actually received that.
Some Vietnamese "Universities" are not what we understand as westerners to be Univertities.
They usually equate to about year 12 high school at best. |
I guess I got the cold shoulder on this one because of not thoroughly checking earlier posts related to the question. Apologize for that. I guess what I'm wondering, more specifically, does anyone here have an MA TESOL and see it being put to good use in Vietnam? This could include more than university positions, but also DOS positions or some other form of curriculum development. Also, just out of curiosity, what is the ceiling for pay for ESL work?
I also saw posts that some people feel that the MA TESOL isn't really useful in Vietnam and doesn't help in terms of pay or better working conditions. Is there anything else that does? (i.e. experience, DELTA's, MA's in other fields?)
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time to teach
Joined: 03 Feb 2011 Posts: 73 Location: Bangkok
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Not sure what happened with the cold shoulder, but maybe try to remember that there are more than enough ESL Cafe kingpins who like to do a bit of play-acting in the role of head honchos when it comes to dishing out advice, opinions, and comments. With an MA TESOL you've got more hiring power than those of us with BAs, 120h TEFL certs., and experience, which in my case is coming up on 10 years. I recently saw a job posting in Vietnam that required MAs, and it looked like a good gig. Apologizing for asking questions just gives the noshery nuts more delusional dreams of being badass bulldogs! |
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kona

Joined: 17 Sep 2011 Posts: 188 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: |
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time to teach wrote: |
Not sure what happened with the cold shoulder, but maybe try to remember that there are more than enough ESL Cafe kingpins who like to do a bit of play-acting in the role of head honchos when it comes to dishing out advice, opinions, and comments. With an MA TESOL you've got more hiring power than those of us with BAs, 120h TEFL certs., and experience, which in my case is coming up on 10 years. I recently saw a job posting in Vietnam that required MAs, and it looked like a good gig. Apologizing for asking questions just gives the noshery nuts more delusional dreams of being badass bulldogs! |
Thanks for the positive feedback! I can understand why someone would not want to re-post the same information if there are other relatively recent posts on the same topic, hence the apology, but I appreciate your response. I figured there was some good english gigs out there for people with graduate qualifications, but figured not too many as from what I've read, vietnam is still accustomed to (and probably exploiting) the fly-by-night back packer type like in thailand.
It seems like RMIT would probably be the best way to break into the market as far as uni positions. What do you think TTT? |
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Andy123
Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 206
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think it is great that you are getting your MA. RMIT is a good place to work and over the years have known many people who have worked there. Nothing too negative.
On the downside I know of people with very good academic backgrounds with loads of experience who have been trying to get into RMIT for years. If I am not mistaken they perfer to hire from abroad.
In years past one's academic background and experience was more respected and valued by many schools. The real international schools are more interested in Ed. degrees. It is sad but most schools do not care what your background is. They are looking for a face that the students will like.
Too many people I have known over the years with a PhD, MA or even a BS in Ed. end up in some language mill making the same amount of money as a 19 year old backpacker. Really! And they are good teachers.
If I was you, I might look at other Asian countries that would appreciate your educational background and more schools from which to choose. Best of luck. |
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Jbhughes

Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Posts: 254
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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How about the school in Đ� Nẵng with links to a Uni in Australia? It seems to be suggested as a decent job for those who have your type of credentials. I think it's called ELI? and the Uni is University of Queensland? Could easily by wrong.
I'm sure in any reputable institution here you would find your qualification looked on well and you in turn would do well, but isn't the Middle East the place where one goes for the $$$ once one gets one's MA?
Good luck either way  |
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kona

Joined: 17 Sep 2011 Posts: 188 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jbhughes wrote: |
How about the school in Đ� Nẵng with links to a Uni in Australia? It seems to be suggested as a decent job for those who have your type of credentials. I think it's called ELI? and the Uni is University of Queensland? Could easily by wrong.
I'm sure in any reputable institution here you would find your qualification looked on well and you in turn would do well, but isn't the Middle East the place where one goes for the $$$ once one gets one's MA?
Good luck either way  |
It is possible to make more money in the Middle East, but then your stuck in the Middle East! Moreover, most ME jobs require 2-4 years post MA experience to be considered for positions, often times at the tertiary level, and this is just to be considered for a position. Competition is a lot tougher in the gulf (excluding Saudi, which is way too conservative for me).
I've heard about the Queensland Uni in Da Nang, seems like a nice gig, don't know how much experience you need to work there, but I'll look into it |
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refugee
Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Andy123 wrote: |
If I was you, I might look at other Asian countries that would appreciate your educational background and more schools from which to choose. Best of luck. |
Which ones specifically?
After hitting my head against the wall at interviews for years in China, Japan, & Korea armed with an MA Linguistics & a DELTA and retorts at interviews such as "you're too old"... "Oh, I thought you were a woman"....."sorry, you have the wrong accent" I was resigned to the language school coal-face until I decided to try another country.
I've been promoted twice here in VN since I arrived this year. |
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kona

Joined: 17 Sep 2011 Posts: 188 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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refugee wrote: |
Andy123 wrote: |
If I was you, I might look at other Asian countries that would appreciate your educational background and more schools from which to choose. Best of luck. |
Which ones specifically?
After hitting my head against the wall at interviews for years in China, Japan, & Korea armed with an MA Linguistics & a DELTA and retorts at interviews such as "you're too old"... "Oh, I thought you were a woman"....."sorry, you have the wrong accent" I was resigned to the language school coal-face until I decided to try another country.
I've been promoted twice here in VN since I arrived this year. |
Well, I feel I could still do quite well in SK and China, but I just want to know all my options. Vietnam has interesting mix of pro's and con's, and I'm just wondering what the nature of the market is. It certain ways, it seems like china, where anything is possible (salary wise). However, from what I've read on these blogs, the corruption seems to be staggering even by developing country levels, and this can make it very easy for employers and landlords to feel completely unaccountable for their behavior towards FTs... As I'll be coming out of school with an MA and little experience, I feel its pretty important for me to approach my first position with a great deal of caution, so I'm just trying to find what can work best...
With that said, I'm still very attracted to vietnam, probably for many of the same reasons that most people are (moderate climate, deep culture, awesome food), but also I'd like to know what the uni jobs are like for the people that have worked them, so if anyone has got any info, definitely feel free to share! |
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