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[email protected]
Joined: 28 Jun 2011
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Location: Kootenays, BC
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 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: Business (F) Visa |
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I'm teaching on an business visa which expires this month. My agency will renew it for another 6 mths. I have a contract with this agency which has not fulfilled their promises.
My question might be naive but here goes. After the visa is renewed, do I have to stay with the agency? Or can I start looking around for another job.
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big_big_bang_theory_fan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, many of us, including myself, believe that you should be arrested, then deported for not only doing, but admitting to working and residing in China illegally - under false pretenses. |
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jaydizzle
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| I don't see why you couldn't go around looking for another job, since you're not employed here legally anyway. I appreciate you making it hard for the rest of us here by being willing to break the rules (and no doubt save your agency a ton of money by doing so.) If they're not providing you what they promised, then perhaps that's the result of you choosing to do business with shady people who do illegal things, and maybe this is a good life lesson for you. |
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Cairnsman
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Unlike a Z visa, (which is replaced with a Foreigners Residence Permit within 30 days of arriving in China), an F visa does not specify the name of your employer / sponsor. So, yes, you can leave your present employer without your F visa being affected. |
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weejay
Joined: 08 Nov 2005
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Location: Prague
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Loads of teachers work on F visas, and you can't really blame them - it's become so hard to get a Z visa without going back to your home country, and it gives your school so much power over you. I'm on a 'z' myself, but I'm in the minority in my city.
So, yes, renew your 'F', work for whoever you like. You're paying for it, you're under no obligation to them. |
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[email protected]
Joined: 28 Jun 2011
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Location: Kootenays, BC
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:02 am Post subject: Ouch |
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| I don't know what to say as I'm blown away by working here ILLEGALLY. FALSE PRETENSES. What are you guys talking about. |
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jaydizzle
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Ouch |
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| I don't know what to say as I'm blown away by working here ILLEGALLY. FALSE PRETENSES. What are you guys talking about. |
If you can't be bothered to do your own research about it, why should we do it for you? |
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Mister Al
Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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Location: In there
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Ouch |
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| I don't know what to say as I'm blown away by working here ILLEGALLY. FALSE PRETENSES. What are you guys talking about. |
I will make it simple: It is illegal to work and earn money on an F visa. Dong le ma? |
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LanGuTou
Joined: 23 Mar 2009
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Location: Shandong
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Ouch |
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| Mister Al wrote: |
| [email protected] wrote: |
| I don't know what to say as I'm blown away by working here ILLEGALLY. FALSE PRETENSES. What are you guys talking about. |
I will make it simple: It is illegal to work and earn money on an F visa. Dong le ma? |
Unless you're Mr English and then it doesn't matter because the Chinese government welcome people working on 'F' visas! dong le ma? |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thorns in the recruiters' heels this topic is 
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| I will make it simple: It is illegal to work and earn money on an F visa. |
A fact that can be polarized in zillion ways on forums |
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Miajiayou
Joined: 30 Apr 2011
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Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote: |
| Actually, many of us, including myself, believe that you should be arrested, then deported for not only doing, but admitting to working and residing in China illegally - under false pretenses. |
Actually, many of us, including myself, think you attach way too much importance to a legal document i China. |
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LanGuTou
Joined: 23 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Miajiayou wrote: |
| big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote: |
| Actually, many of us, including myself, believe that you should be arrested, then deported for not only doing, but admitting to working and residing in China illegally - under false pretenses. |
Actually, many of us, including myself, think you attach way too much importance to a legal document i China. |
Is that to say "legal documents" a.k.a. the law have little importance in China or is it the right of foreigners to ignore them?
The excuse made by most of the people that work on 'F' visas (and those that recruit foreigners working on 'F' and 'L' visas) is that getting the necessary documentation to obtain legal working status is too onerous. Comparatively speaking, getting in a work permit in China is simple. Refer to the process that has to be followed in other countries and this becomes apparent. |
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TexasHighway
Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Miajiayou wrote:
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big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote:
Actually, many of us, including myself, believe that you should be arrested, then deported for not only doing, but admitting to working and residing in China illegally - under false pretenses.
Actually, many of us, including myself, think you attach way too much importance to a legal document i China. |
It appears the O/P is trying to have it both ways. If he is working in a country under false pretenses to begin with, the contract that he would like to see enforced isn't worth the paper it is written on. It appears the O/P learned an expensive lesson. |
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time to teach
Joined: 03 Feb 2011
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Location: Bangkok
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| I'm on an F visa now, I'm making great money, I'm not in trouble, I'm not going to get in trouble, I'm registered with the local police department, I'm in good standing with my employer, yes, my employer, where I go to work and get paid for what I do, cash, tax free. Any foreigner who thinks he or she is in a position to judge or condemn others with the sort of smug repartee so common in the caf� status quo is a nincompoop! |
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jaydizzle
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| time to teach wrote: |
| I'm on an F visa now, I'm making great money, I'm not in trouble, I'm not going to get in trouble, I'm registered with the local police department, I'm in good standing with my employer, yes, my employer, where I go to work and get paid for what I do, cash, tax free. Any foreigner who thinks he or she is in a position to judge or condemn others with the sort of smug repartee so common in the caf� status quo is a nincompoop! |
I bet 20 yuan you're the one who whines about illegal Mexicans stealing Americans' jobs back home. You're the same thing. |
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