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Sakartvelo



Joined: 29 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:28 am    Post subject: New Teacher Working in China Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm new to this forum, and the world of ESL at large, so I hope you'll forgive me if I am asking naive questions or posting this in the wrong place. I am currently traveling in China, but have decided that I would like to try and find some work in the country teaching English. I am a native English speaker (with a British passport), and I have a university degree, so I believe I have the appropriate qualifications for a teaching job in China.

I am, however, approaching teaching in China from what I believe is a rather different perspective than most foreign teachers. For starters, I am already in the country (and have over 5 months experience traveling in China): I don't require an employer to pay flight tickets for me, and I'm also in a position to go and visit a school before agreeing to work for them. Secondly, my primary motivation in wanting a job in China is that I wish to learn Chinese (ie. Mandarin, with the use of simplified characters). This is the main purpose of my search for a job in China, and I would like to have factors that will help me learn Chinese take priority over other things.

I am seeking here mostly general advice on the following points:

1. Tips on locations in the country to work. I am put-off my China's large East Coast cities, and have absolutely no desire to live in places such as Beijing and Shanghai, or even Hangzhou or Ningbo. Ideally, I'd like to be working in a smaller more provincial city inland, preferably somewhere without a large expat community and with some interesting nearby countryside to explore at the weekends. My other main concern is in being in a part of the country where they speak Chinese in a comprehensible fashion. I don't necessarily need to be somewhere where standard Mandarin is the main tongue, but I couldn't live in Sichuan (for example) because of how difficult the accent is even when people there do speak Mandarin. I'd really appreciate anyone who can give me some suggestions on locations in China that would be suitable and enjoyable to live in.

2. Advice on finding work. Most of the job offers on here seem to be for China's major cities. How do I go about finding jobs in smaller places? What are good ways to judge a reliable company? How are companies going to respond when I tell them I'm in China already and am prepared to come and visit them? Am I going to have major problems with visas? What other tips can you give me, given my situation?

Well I hope I've posted this in the right place, and would really appreciate tips from anyone on how to begin my Chinese job search, and how to make that job search as productive as possible.
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Sinobear



Joined: 24 Aug 2004
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Location: Purgatory

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be legally hired, you also need two years post-graduate teaching experience.

Barring that, there are many agencies and recruiters who can place you in places that you desire although the salary will be minimal.

I would suggest trying Buckland and ask about NW Fujian.
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xiguagua



Joined: 09 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your sole objective is to learn Chinese then I would suggest not teaching English.

If you insist on it then I really doubt you will be willing to travel to each destination to check out the school first, that is time consuming and financially irresponsible. You being in China will make no difference to the schools.

Buckland is a good suggestion since they are reputable and can place you in different parts of China. North is best, some argue that in Heilongjiang they speak better mandarin than Beijingers. Also understand that your desire to be put in more remote parts of China will make you more and more likely to be in places where they speak local dialects rather than mandarin.
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dean_a_jones



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: New Teacher Working in China Reply with quote

Sakartvelo wrote:
I am a native English speaker (with a British passport), and I have a university degree, so I believe I have the appropriate qualifications for a teaching job in China.


The two year experience mentioned by another poster is not evenly applied. If you are looking outside of major cities, then you might/should be alright.

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I am, however, approaching teaching in China from what I believe is a rather different perspective than most foreign teachers. For starters, I am already in the country (and have over 5 months experience traveling in China): I don't require an employer to pay flight tickets for me, and I'm also in a position to go and visit a school before agreeing to work for them.


If you are here, look around where you are. Then do some research and find somewhere else to target. It is a big country, so don't end up all over the place with interviews, that would be crazy. Keep in mind within about 3 weeks a lot of universities will be on vacation (I think ideally uni work might be best for you based on other things you have mentioned), which might mean you are a little late for the second semester. Also, don't sacrifice things in your contract (like a flight allowance) simply because you are here. You should get the same allowance as others, unless you use it to bargain for something like salary or other benefits. Don't save money for them or undersell yourself, as they will think you are a sucker and possibly attempt to get more.

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Secondly, my primary motivation in wanting a job in China is that I wish to learn Chinese (ie. Mandarin, with the use of simplified characters). This is the main purpose of my search for a job in China, and I would like to have factors that will help me learn Chinese take priority over other things.


This is why I suggested university work, as it is easy to get language exchange and also you might find students who speak standard putonghua even in areas where dialect is regularly spoken. Also might be able to take an actual class, as learning characters (rather than just spoken Chinese) does tend to involve some serious, school based study.

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1. Tips on locations in the country to work.


Can't help much here, but as I said, at a uni gig you might find language tutors, exchange etc. with standard speakers wherever you are.

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2. Advice on finding work. Most of the job offers on here seem to be for China's major cities. How do I go about finding jobs in smaller places? What are good ways to judge a reliable company? How are companies going to respond when I tell them I'm in China already and am prepared to come and visit them? Am I going to have major problems with visas? What other tips can you give me, given my situation?


A bit too much to say here, but browse back in the forums to March or so and just look out for posts with the a clear title about seeking jobs and hints for newbies etc. Lots of them from March - September (as that is the main hiring season) and tons of ideas and advice on what to look out for in terms of schools, contracts, visas etc.

Good luck.
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askiptochina



Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am, however, approaching teaching in China from what I believe is a rather different perspective than most foreign teachers.


Why do you make this assumption? There are many people who post questions and comments about being in the country just like you and are finding employment. Your situation is not uncommon at all.

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To be legally hired, you also need two years post-graduate teaching experience.


Is this a rule? Is it for everyone? It seems odd to expect 2 years from a graduate. I am assuming you mean for teaching at a college or perhaps for a higher salary. I see many ads which don't state you need 2 years teaching experience.

This one says 1 year http://jobs.echinacities.com/showjob-135891.html
This one has no mention of teaching experience http://jobs.echinacities.com/showjob-136996.html

I am not recommending these positions, but just showing a couple examples with less than or no experience required. Also, to back this up, there are part-time jobs which allow people to get experience.
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a safea guideline. not necessarily a requirement.

some provinces require two years teaching.
some require two years of any employment after graduation.
some don't seem to care.
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Baozi man



Joined: 06 Sep 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find a university which has a "Chinese as a second language" program. Enroll, attend.

Alternative: Accept an FT job. Find a uni which teaches Chinese to foreigners. Attend school. Resume teaching after completion of studies.

Loose the "I'm so special" attitude.
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TexasHighway



Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sakarvelo wrote:
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I am, however, approaching teaching in China from what I believe is a rather different perspective than most foreign teachers

Not as different as you might think. You are following a well worn path, my friend. If your Primary objective is to learn Chinese, you should enroll in a university for a semester or two on a student visa. In fact, I did exactly that over twenty years ago and have never regretted it. There are many excellent programs at low cost for learning the language. When your primary objective is to teach, then you should come back and teach.
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