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torentosan



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:12 am    Post subject: To Mexico or not to Mexico... Reply with quote

Just a question for those who know...if you teach in Mexico I would appreciate your comments...

I have a degree and several years of experience. Now I want to try either Mexico or somewhere in South America...

So I have some issues to consider...

In Mexico-

1. Is it hard to find work ?
2. Should I come there first to find work or try to get hired abroad?
3. Will pay cover living expenses minus any heavy partying?
4. Are the people friendly towards foreigners?
5. How dangerous is it really for foreigners?
6. Is it possible to save minus any travel or heavy partying?
7. How hard is it to get a decent apartment and good internet connection?

I know some of these answers can be found... Just want some fresh and new responses from teachers currently working there.......


thanks
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Is it hard to find work ?
With certification and experience, no. You may have to start in a language school though.

2. Should I come there first to find work or try to get hired abroad?
Come here first.

3. Will pay cover living expenses minus any heavy partying?
Depends. A good job in a university or serious college will be OK. You may struggle in a language school

4. Are the people friendly towards foreigners?
Absolutely! It's called Malinchismo here in Mexico - anything foreign is better"

5. How dangerous is it really for foreigners?
Not at all. I'd stay away from the border states though.

6. Is it possible to save minus any travel or heavy partying?
See answer 3

7. How hard is it to get a decent apartment and good internet connection?
Again, depends on your salary, if you want to live in a good area and don't have money to spare, it may be only a room - no connection.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, it would help to know which part of Mexico you are thinking of. It varies a lot. My answers were based on my experience in Mexico City.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto...helps to know where in Mexico you want to go. Generally speaking, there are usually more/better opportunities for work in the larger cities such as Mexico City, Guadalajara, and Monterrey, though there is good work in many other cities and towns.

1. answered above

2. Definitely come here first. Do some research from home first and try to make some phone and email contacts, but just about everyone save for the top international schools will hire face to face.

3. Entry level work at a place like Harmon Hall and Berlitz will have you scraping by. Some language schools pay better, and like Phil says private colegios pay well. Very well, if that experience you mention is in IB or other international schools.

4. Mexicans are a very warm and inviting people in my experience.

5. Moctezuma's Revenge is best handled with Pepto...a stronger case may need Bactrim. It gets everyone the first time.

6. Not at entry level work. When looking at jobs, you'll want to earn a minimum of 6000 pesos monthly to cover the basics. 10,000 and you are starting to save money.

7. Usually not hard, again depending on where. Easy in Mexico City for example.
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torentosan



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:56 am    Post subject: Size matters Reply with quote

Small towns have never been good for me...too boring and everyone knows what your business.

So we are talking mid to large cities.

Mexico City may be a good choice if the people are not too cold.

In my experience, people in large cities are always more stand-offish....something I can live with...but at present I am weighing the "friendliness" of people more heavily than other factors.

My experience is all in private schools and language centers. I would love to teach at a University.
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notamiss



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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Size matters Reply with quote

torentosan wrote:

In my experience, people in large cities are always more stand-offish....something I can live with...but at present I am weighing the "friendliness" of people more heavily than other factors.


I don�t think this holds in Mexico. Mexico City is too diverse to be cold. In many cases, it is the smaller places that tend to be more �provincial� and closed.

Yet many foreigners settle happily into small cities or towns and find the residents welcoming there, too. However such people tend for the most part to be retirees, not people looking for work. The English teaching opportunities are better, the larger the city.
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in a small town. I do agree employement options in the larger cities way out number those in small towns. There is really only one employer of foriegners in my small city. The options are pretty much work here or free lance.

The people are very warm and open to foreigners. It is a region with a remarkably high rate of immigration so almost everyone has a family member or close friend in the US and they want to talk to you about that. I find particularly little old ladies want to know what it's like where their son is and they want to take care of you in his place!
As for it being boring, well there is a wide variety of things to do--but they are different things than what you are used to and I've found that city people are less able to adapt to those differences, so yes, become bored easily.

As to danger. Oaxaca is not dangerous for foreigners. In my town it's really only dangerous if you are a car--then you are likely to be broken into.

Its not at all hard to find an apartment here, internet is becoming more and more common--there are still internet cafes on every block downtown so if you don't get it at home (or enough of it at work) it's about 6 pesos an hour in a cafe. And last time I checked I picked up about 20 wifi signals in the Zocalo, half of which were unprotected.

(disclaimer, I think I've had too much coffee today...)
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Isla Guapa



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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: Size matters Reply with quote

notamiss wrote:
torentosan wrote:

In my experience, people in large cities are always more stand-offish....something I can live with...but at present I am weighing the "friendliness" of people more heavily than other factors.


I don�t think this holds in Mexico. Mexico City is too diverse to be cold. In many cases, it is the smaller places that tend to be more �provincial� and closed.



If you live in Mexico City, you will find yourself living in a neighborhood where you do your food shopping, go out for a coffee, go to the movies, have your hair cut and so on. You will become a familiar face in the neighborhood, and people are likely to say hello and ask how you are, even if you haven't been formally introduced. In a way, your barrio becomes like a little town, or a bar like Cheers, "where everyone knows your name".
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BadBeagleBad



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MotherF wrote:


(disclaimer, I think I've had too much coffee today...)


Can�t say I blame you, the coffee there is darn good. And I am out of the bag I brought back with me. Sad
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uh huh



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:20 pm    Post subject: To Mexico or Reply with quote

My two cents worth: I recently spent a few days in Mexico City and was pleasantly surprised by the warmth of the people there.

It's great that you're getting different perspectives. Asking what it's like to work in Mexico is like asking what it's like to work in the US. Learning more about the country and narrowing down your choices will net you more and more of the specific and helpful information that you're already getting.
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BadBeagleBad



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I would add is, if you do decide to come to Mexico City, is to seek out an area to live in a away from touristy or foreigner infested areas. There are several reasons for that. First, you will pay less rent. Second, the areas tend to be more stable. Some of the trendy areas are the ones with the highest crime rates, lots of people move in and out, don�t know the neighbors, etc. Third, in a more traditional area you will get to know people. Your neighbors, the people at the corner store, etc., and you won�t feel like you live in a big city, like Isla pointed out. Mexico City is really a city of neighborhoods, each with it�s own character and personality. When I am in my neighborhood I don�t feel like I live in a big city at all. I know pretty much everyone on my street, if not to speak to, at least to say good morning. I have regular places for everything from food to getting a haircut, to having lunch. And most of these people know my name. And, if you don�t speak Spanish, you will learn a lot faster if you have to go about your daily life speaking Spanish.
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torentosan



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:09 pm    Post subject: Sounds Great Reply with quote

Thanks for your information.
Mexico City sounds good so far. Guadalajara may be an option. Are there any anti-American sentiments?
Probably one of the biggest turn-off about Mexico, if the reports are true, is that Employers always pay late. It seems that most of the violence is gang related.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably one of the biggest turn-off about Mexico, if the reports are true, is that Employers always pay late.


Certainly true in many language schools. My reaction to that was always to walk out and find another one!
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Isla Guapa



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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
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Probably one of the biggest turn-off about Mexico, if the reports are true, is that Employers always pay late.


Certainly true in many language schools. My reaction to that was always to walk out and find another one!


Beware of statements that include the word "always" Wink . And I like Phil's reaction when that kind of thing happens!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: Sounds Great Reply with quote

torentosan wrote:
Thanks for your information.
Mexico City sounds good so far. Guadalajara may be an option. Are there any anti-American sentiments?
Probably one of the biggest turn-off about Mexico, if the reports are true, is that Employers always pay late. It seems that most of the violence is gang related.


I would have to say there are some anti-American sentiments if you act like an ugly American. My husband has a business in the downtown area and I occasionally get to interact with tourist, who assume since I am waitressing, or helping cook in a restaurant, that I don�t speak English. Most of the people who wander in are lovely, and curious about the food. But occasionally there will be a really rude one, and, yeah, some of the workers will comment. But I would say by and large Mexicans take individuals as they come, and will react to you based on how you act, more than nationality. And how will they know you are American, anyway, and not English/German/Swedish/Australian, etc. I am not sure where the reports about late pay came from. I have worked for a number of schools, both language institutes and private schools, and have never been paid any later than 4 or 5 days late. And we are talking about something like 15 years of working in Mexico City. Of course, your first paycheck may be held back a bit depending on when you start, but I would say that saying ALL employers pay late is quite an exageration. I�m not saying it doesn�t happen. I�m sure it does, but I don�t think it is all that common. Unless you work for a government school, or agency. Then you might be waiting a while for your first check, but after that pay is pretty regular.
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