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China�s President Pushes Back Against Western Culture
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max81



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: China�s President Pushes Back Against Western Culture Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/asia/chinas-president-pushes-back-against-western-culture.html?_r=1&ref=china


�We must clearly see that international hostile forces are intensifying the strategic plot of westernizing and dividing China, and ideological and cultural fields are the focal areas of their long-term infiltration,� Mr. Hu said, according to a translation by Reuters.

�The international culture of the West is strong while we are weak,� he said

At the same time, China has been making a push to increase its cultural influence abroad, or its �soft power.�
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steve b



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the job-related part is?
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max81



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve b wrote:
And the job-related part is?


sorry buzz killington, supossed to be in china-off topic.
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steve b



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha-ha - don't know who this buzz chap is but I thought I might have been missing a deep meaning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: China�s President Pushes Back Against Western Culture Reply with quote

max81 wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/asia/chinas-president-pushes-back-against-western-culture.html

�We must clearly see that international hostile forces are intensifying the strategic plot of westernizing and dividing China, and ideological and cultural fields are the focal areas of their long-term infiltration,� Mr. Hu said, according to a translation by Reuters.

�The international culture of the West is strong while we are weak,� he said

At the same time, China has been making a push to increase its cultural influence abroad, or its �soft power.�


Hu has threatening to close China since he made the same announcement that I read in a English Shanghai newspaper back in October.

They have so far kept their word. With Internet and media crackdowns and increased censorship - such as the edict virtually banning of anything Western-influenced on TV. Funny the photo shows Avatar. A movie that was pulled from Chinese cinemas after only a few days for being "too successful". Amazing a country of 1.3 billion is afraid of a few foreign films per year - currently capped at 20.

A related article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/world/asia/murong-xuecun-pushes-censorship-limits-in-china.html

or of a filmmaker turned into a CCP useful idiot:
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/world/asia/14filmmaker.html

With the new expat social tax (passed, but not implemented), geared to hit FTs the hardest, maybe that too is a further way of closing China's society.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't this be in the non-job-related posts anyways?

edit: I do see the relevance to of teaching jobs though.... as...

FTs are now really one of the few ways to get Western culture to these students (I teach in a foundation program, and these students plan to go to Australia, Canada, or the US) - as other avenues are being closed by the government.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you will find that has already been established.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they should take one step further. Clearly when government officials' kids go to western countries for university, they bring too much western influence to China. That should be banned. Their spouses also should not be allowed to reside or shop in western countries.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think things might be getting a little rough for us FTs here. China's open-society policy of the last 20 years is rapidly changing. Whats next, a party minder in every classroom, outside of the cameras (4x!) in the main FT classroom and the classroom monitor as it is?

I got in big trouble once by mentioning overseas business in SE Asia. and accidentally rattled off Taiwan in that list.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: China�s President Pushes Back Against Western Culture Reply with quote

Cyberkada wrote:


They have so far kept their word. With Internet and media crackdowns and increased censorship - such as the edict virtually banning of anything Western-influenced on TV.



There's way more foreign stuff on TV than there was just a few years ago. Several cable channels (like Dox TV and some of the Fengyun channels) show foreign shows with Chinese subtitles.

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With the new expat social tax (passed, but not implemented), geared to hit FTs the hardest, maybe that too is a further way of closing China's society.


There is no new "expat" social tax. The only plan is to tax foreigners just as locals are taxed, which is what happens in most developed countries. To me, it's a step forward since it finally recognises that foreigners are part of the long-term workforce, not just guests.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

excellent. i'm sure mr. H will lead by example by taobao'ing
his collection of western cars, and buying a lovely chang'an 面包车。
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: China�s President Pushes Back Against Western Culture Reply with quote

[quote="auchtermuchty"][quote="Cyberkada"]

They have so far kept their word. With Internet and media crackdowns and increased censorship - such as the edict virtually banning of anything Western-influenced on TV.

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There's way more foreign stuff on TV than there was just a few years ago. Several cable channels (like Dox TV and some of the Fengyun channels) show foreign shows with Chinese subtitles.


That only a few Chinese can watch legally via satellite - such as those living in expat compounds or Western hotels... Just as everything else here media-wise is technically illegal for the average Chinese to watch or avail of.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/194755/illegal_satellite_tv_in_china_brings_cnn_to_the_masses.html

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There is no new "expat" social tax. The only plan is to tax foreigners just as locals are taxed, which is what happens in most developed countries. To me, it's a step forward since it finally recognises that foreigners are part of the long-term workforce, not just guests.


Its a money grab by the CCP - especially for FTs. Using this forum as an sample size, maybe 1 or 2 here will retire here, and definitely not work here the 15 years that is required to receive benefit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: China�s President Pushes Back Against Western Culture Reply with quote

Cyberkada wrote:

That only a few Chinese can watch legally via satellite - such as those living in expat compounds or Western hotels... Just as everything else here media-wise is technically illegal for the average Chinese to watch or avail of.


I hate to get all technical on you, but cable TV is delivered by cable, and satellite TV is delivered via satellite. When I said cable TV, I meant the cable TV service that is delivered locally through cables and is available at minimal cost to any Chinese citizen in almost all parts of urban China. The Fengyun channels I mentioned are actually run by CCTV. They regularly show things like the BBC's Torchwood or Gavin and Stacey etc in English with Chinese subtitles. I know this doesn't fit with your pre-conceived view of how things are here, but it's simply an observation of fact.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: Re: China�s President Pushes Back Against Western Culture Reply with quote

auchtermuchty wrote:
Cyberkada wrote:
They have so far kept their word. With Internet and media crackdowns and increased censorship - such as the edict virtually banning of anything Western-influenced on TV.

There's way more foreign stuff on TV than there was just a few years ago. Several cable channels (like Dox TV and some of the Fengyun channels) show foreign shows with Chinese subtitles.

Add Pearl and ATV to that list. Those two tv stations broadcast from Hong Kong and are widely available in Guangdong (perhaps other provinces too). They're both loaded with western TV programs and movies and have been for years.

China is protecting their cultural productions by limiting foreign content in some spheres. This type of action is nothing new. Canada has had "Canadian content" regulations in place for decades to protect Canadian culture/artists from being swamped by US culture/content.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I have to agree with auchtermuchty. I am sensing the usual amount of hyperbole, misinformation and hysterics regarding the reality of access to information in China.

Is stuff censored--certainly, and annoyingly at times. Does that mean only rich Chinese living in western compounds or 5 start hotels get to see Western programmes. No, not at all.

Sorry Cyberkada, but its seems as though you have not really opened your eyes since arriving, and are leaving with the same preconceived notions (and to some degree, western media bias*) as when you arrived. This place is far from perfect, but access to western (or western style) culture on TV, in the cinema etc. is not really much of a problem here.

As for the 'announcement', it is a lot of rhetoric and propaganda. When I read things like this, I can almost hear my students eyeballs rolling backwards. Especially since, as others have pointed out, those at the top of the pile take full advantage of their positions and wealth to stick their kids in international schools or western universities etc. People know this, particularly younger ones, and can see through the BS.

That doesn't mean they don't want to see China grow in wealth and (hard and especially soft) power, but I think many would laugh at some of the claims being made regarding how much information they are supposedly missing out on due to censorship.

* [edit] Lest I be called an apologist or whatever is thrown around, what I mean by this is the fact that, generally the media in the west tends to focus and push more negative stories on China (which might be perfectly true) due to the fact that these sell papers or create web hits, as does negative news generally. But this does create, particularly in the US (it seems to me anyway) but also throughout the west, a pretty unclear picture of the reality of China for the average Chinese person. While the place is certainly bad for some, in particular those who are trying to cause or create change from within, this idea that the average Chinese person lives in some CCP mediated bubble seems to me to be one of the knock-on effects of a media bias. It suggests that the party is prying into people's lives and arresting/imprisoning regular people who don't buy the party line, and that real information (rather than party propaganda) is hard to come by. This just isn't true.


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