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dudeteacher



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: Good schools in Bangkok and Patong Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm a Canadian Journalist/ESL teacher. I've been a teacher for 13 years and I have my CELTA.

I am presently a Print Editor for NATO; however, I wish to return to teaching.

I will be in Bangkok next month and want to set up some interviews.
I've taught mainly adults and young adults; however, I did teach at primary level for about a year.

I was hoping those in the know could recommend some decent schools for me to speak to in Bangkok and Patong.

I'm interested in private coure schools and primary/highschools. I understand it's a little tougher to get interviews with Universities.

I would be happy to hear your reommendations. Also what kind of salary do you think I could get.

Thanks,
Dudeteacher
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Good schools in Bangkok and Patong Reply with quote

dudeteacher wrote:
Hi,

I'm a Canadian Journalist/ESL teacher. I've been a teacher for 13 years and I have my CELTA.

I am presently a Print Editor for NATO; however, I wish to return to teaching.

I will be in Bangkok next month and want to set up some interviews.
I've taught mainly adults and young adults; however, I did teach at primary level for about a year.

I was hoping those in the know could recommend some decent schools for me to speak to in Bangkok and Patong.

I'm interested in private coure schools and primary/highschools. I understand it's a little tougher to get interviews with Universities.

I would be happy to hear your reommendations. Also what kind of salary do you think I could get.

Thanks,
Dudeteacher


PATONG / Phuket?? You and every other starry-eyed wonder getting off the plane Smile looking for a job next to the beach or the bright lights.

Unless you have a degree (with transcripts) in your back pocket you can pretty much rule out K-12 schools in BKK and on Phuket.

You may find (legal) work in the north east without a degree but don't count on it.

As to wages:
-with an unrelated degree and fresh off the plane (in spite of any experience you may have) you are looking at 25-35k baht in a (K-12) school and
-up to 40k in a language mill.
- On Phuket (like all the other "prime tourist spots with lots of willing applicants" you can expect to be paid about 30% LESS.

Without a degree you can expect 18-25k out in the provinces and nothing legal in the city or tourist spots.

In the OP you said TEACHER. If you actually are a teacher (with Canadian provincial accreditation as a teacher) then the international schools are open to you. Pay ranges from 75-120k baht + benefits in the better schools.

Thai schools begin the academic year in mid May, have a mid year break for the month of Oct. and end the school year at the end of Feb.
SOME international schools are on the same academic calendar as North America.

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dudeteacher



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Good schools in Bangkok and Patong Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
dudeteacher wrote:
Hi,

I'm a Canadian Journalist/ESL teacher. I've been a teacher for 13 years and I have my CELTA.

I am presently a Print Editor for NATO; however, I wish to return to teaching.

I will be in Bangkok next month and want to set up some interviews.
I've taught mainly adults and young adults; however, I did teach at primary level for about a year.

I was hoping those in the know could recommend some decent schools for me to speak to in Bangkok and Patong.

I'm interested in private coure schools and primary/highschools. I understand it's a little tougher to get interviews with Universities.

I would be happy to hear your reommendations. Also what kind of salary do you think I could get.

Thanks,
Dudeteacher


PATONG / Phuket?? You and every other starry-eyed wonder getting off the plane Smile looking for a job next to the beach or the bright lights.

Unless you have a degree (with transcripts) in your back pocket you can pretty much rule out K-12 schools in BKK and on Phuket.

You may find (legal) work in the north east without a degree but don't count on it.

As to wages:
-with an unrelated degree and fresh off the plane (in spite of any experience you may have) you are looking at 25-35k baht in a (K-12) school and
-up to 40k in a language mill.
- On Phuket (like all the other "prime tourist spots with lots of willing applicants" you can expect to be paid about 30% LESS.

Without a degree you can expect 18-25k out in the provinces and nothing legal in the city or tourist spots.

In the OP you said TEACHER. If you actually are a teacher (with Canadian provincial accreditation as a teacher) then the international schools are open to you. Pay ranges from 75-120k baht + benefits in the better schools.

Thai schools begin the academic year in mid May, have a mid year break for the month of Oct. and end the school year at the end of Feb.
SOME international schools are on the same academic calendar as North America.

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Thanks for the prompt response. You seem to be assuming I don't have a degree. I can assure you, working for NATO at the high end usually requires one. I should have said Phuket - not Patong but can't seem to change the heading.

I'm surprised at the low pay at the language mills for an experienced CELTA qualified person. Should I assume that qualifications there don't mean that much.

No, I won't be walking with transcripts; however, I have my degrees and a few Letters of Reference. I'll see what happens Wink

What's the rate for private lessons?

Again thank you for the prompt response.

Dude
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't assume no degree. I gave responses for both sets of circumstances; without and with an unrelated degree. I DID assume that you do not hold a related teaching degree and home country certification as a teacher.

Wages next to the beach pay crap because the number of people wanting to work there is high enough that they can always find someone with an unrelated bachelors degree and a CELTA wanting to extend their stay on the beach.

If you move away from the bright lights of Soi cowboy or Patong you can find lots of schools.

Newbies fresh off the plane and unproven in the LOS, unless they are home country licensed and working at one of the better, international schools usually start off in the mid 30's (32-35k baht per month) for their first year (20 classes per week and if you are lucky, a 12 month contract with paid vacations).

Language academies pay around 40k, no vacations or benefits and up to 30 classes per week.

You move up with connections and reputation in your 2nd year.
Jobs in the 60k BHT/mo range are out there.

If you have home country certification as a teacher then wages (at international or bilingual schools) in the 60-100k (baht per month) range are available to a newbie (to the country) depending on your qualifications, the subject you teach and experience.

As to teaching private lessons, 250-1000 per hour depending on your location, type/size of class and YOUR reputation as a teacher.

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dudeteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
I didn't assume no degree. I gave responses for both sets of circumstances; without and with an unrelated degree. I DID assume that you do not hold a related teaching degree and home country certification as a teacher.

Wages next to the beach pay crap because the number of people wanting to work there is high enough that they can always find someone with an unrelated bachelors degree and a CELTA wanting to extend their stay on the beach.

If you move away from the bright lights of Soi cowboy or Patong you can find lots of schools.

Newbies fresh off the plane and unproven in the LOS, unless they are home country licensed and working at one of the better, international schools usually start off in the mid 30's (32-35k baht per month) for their first year (20 classes per week and if you are lucky, a 12 month contract with paid vacations).

Language academies pay around 40k, no vacations or benefits and up to 30 classes per week.

You move up with connections and reputation in your 2nd year.
Jobs in the 60k BHT/mo range are out there.

If you have home country certification as a teacher then wages (at international or bilingual schools) in the 60-100k (baht per month) range are available to a newbie (to the country) depending on your qualifications, the subject you teach and experience.

As to teaching private lessons, 250-1000 per hour depending on your location, type/size of class and YOUR reputation as a teacher.

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Informative.

Thank you.

Dude
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And one last note: that comment of mine about transcripts wasn't tongue-in-cheek.

If you want to do a change of status and/or find legal work you need the transcripts to match the degree and you need the originals (or university issued duplicates) of both with you here.

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NigerianWhisper



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
And one last note: that comment of mine about transcripts wasn't tongue-in-cheek.

If you want to do a change of status and/or find legal work you need the transcripts to match the degree and you need the originals (or university issued duplicates) of both with you here.

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Errrrrrrrrr, I don't have transcripts and it has never been an issue.

UK degree in Primary Education, graduated 1993. Transcripts were not available to a lot of UK uni's at that time.

I work in Bangkok by the way.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NigerianWhisper wrote:
tttompatz wrote:
And one last note: that comment of mine about transcripts wasn't tongue-in-cheek.

If you want to do a change of status and/or find legal work you need the transcripts to match the degree and you need the originals (or university issued duplicates) of both with you here.

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Errrrrrrrrr, I don't have transcripts and it has never been an issue.

UK degree in Primary Education, graduated 1993. Transcripts were not available to a lot of UK uni's at that time.

I work in Bangkok by the way.


I was asked to provide mine at BKK immigration when I changed from tourist to non-B "in country". The same was true for the last 10 or so of our staff who did a change of status at immigration.

They may not be needed if you are doing a visa run ( I don't know).

The local education office and labor office also wanted to see copies of the transcripts for "new applicants".

We are a k-12, Thai school.

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dudeteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to let you know, I visited a school in late Sept., the Patong Language School.

I was told that regardless of your crdentials they would give you a one month course in their system for which you got not kind of official accreditation and there was no guarantee they would hire you.

I have 12 years of experience - two Diplomas, including a CELTA.

I couldn't figure out if these people were just full of themselves or they were politely trying to get rid of me. I am of East Indian descent and although Eng. is my first language in this part of the worl some people just look at me and decide on their own it's not.

Naturally, I didn't take them seriously.

Dude
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Christian St.Bacon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:13 pm    Post subject: transcripts... Reply with quote

have taught English for 13 years; Europe/Middle East/Far East, including 3 years in Thailand and as with NigerianWhisper, have never been asked for transcripts anywhere at anytime.......the demanding of transcripts isnt a matter of fact/just a matter of circumstances I suppose...

shukran very much!
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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have experience with two jobs in Bangkok. One job wanted transcripts and everything. The job was an absolute dude. Another job, not too bad, didn't care. They just gave you two weeks to show them that you could teach, at least a little bit.
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