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the4th2001
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 130 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: New(er?) immigration info |
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Not sure how new this is, but it was brought to my attention earlier today. Seems like they finally have slightly more concrete information about the new immigration system.
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_1/en/point_1-2.html
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Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 984
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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I'm normally the first to get excited about new immigration announcements, but to this stuff (which I have seen before), I say "Meh." I was really hoping that 2012 would have some actual stuff that we could use, like shortening the time to eijuuken or that sort of thing. These changes are of extremely limited usefulness, honestly. There is nothing on the list of changes that will dramatically change my life in Japan.
A new resident card will be issued? Big deal. I already had a gaikokujin touroku shomeisho that worked just fine. Didn't really need a new card...
The re-entry permit system will be changed? I guess that's good, but it wasn't exactly an extreme hardship to walk a couple of miles to the Yokkaichi immigration office and shell out 3,000 yen once a year...
The alien registration system will be abolished? I couldn't care less, and besides, "abolished" is a misnomer. "Renamed" would be a better way to put it. They're going to replace it with the "resident card" system, which will be exactly the same thing, just with a different name.
It's like if I changed my name from "Charles" to "Bob," and continued to teach the kids at my school, just insist they call me "Teacher Bob" instead of "Teacher Charles." And tell the kids that "Teacher Charles was killed in a fiery car wreck, and now this man, Teacher Bob, who coincidentally looks exactly like Teacher Charles, except that he now wears a red fedora, will teach you now!" And that's how I feel about the "Resident Card" system.
The period of stay will be increased to a maximum of five years? This would be great, if:
...they gave us a hint as to the criteria for getting the five-year extension, rather than having the whole thing being "case-by-case," likely with 99% of the cases continuing to receive a 1- or 3-year extension.
...they hadn't also introduced three-month extensions (in other words, your extensions could be SHORTER from 2012 than they were in the past when one year was the minimum extension).
...it didn't make permanent residency (eijuuken) potentially more difficult to get:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=93213&highlight=
So...these changes don't really seem to change anything significant. Most of them are just for the J-government's administrative convenience. A few of them are actually a step BACKWARD (notably the new three-month period of stay extensions and the possible negative ramifications of the five-year extension on eijuuken). |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Being a permanent resident now, I'm not really affected by most of the proposed changes.
Going to immigration for a new card does affect me, tho. It's a 2.5-3 hour drive/ride where I live.
I don't understand why special permanent residents are under a different set of rules.
Yes, it should be made clear what language requirements are to be accepted for people to get a 5-year visa. Nothing is described so far AFAIK.
Putting that IC chip into our cards can be seen by some as an act of invading privacy or controlling a certain population or just simple discrimination (see Debito Arudou's web site).
It's nice to see that penalties will be imposed on employers who knowingly have people working illegally for them, but what penalties? And, does this apply to the illegal interns/trainees that the government itself allows to come over?
I'm also not clear on why they created a 3-month work visa option. Would be nice to know what circumstances called for that.
I agree that many/most of the changes are administrative to presumably help out the immigration offices. However, I would also like to have seen something that evened the playing field a bit, so that each immigration office wouldn't have so much individual interpretation of some of the rules, and so that there was clearer paperwork for foreigners who want to marry foreigners here. (Some thread I've read recently show that embassies and ward offices don't agree and that they may even say people should contact the other, a vicious circle.) |
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Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 984
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
Being a permanent resident now, I'm not really affected by most of the proposed changes.
Going to immigration for a new card does affect me, tho. It's a 2.5-3 hour drive/ride where I live.
I don't understand why special permanent residents are under a different set of rules.
Yes, it should be made clear what language requirements are to be accepted for people to get a 5-year visa. Nothing is described so far AFAIK.
Putting that IC chip into our cards can be seen by some as an act of invading privacy or controlling a certain population or just simple discrimination (see Debito Arudou's web site).
It's nice to see that penalties will be imposed on employers who knowingly have people working illegally for them, but what penalties? And, does this apply to the illegal interns/trainees that the government itself allows to come over?
I'm also not clear on why they created a 3-month work visa option. Would be nice to know what circumstances called for that.
I agree that many/most of the changes are administrative to presumably help out the immigration offices. However, I would also like to have seen something that evened the playing field a bit, so that each immigration office wouldn't have so much individual interpretation of some of the rules, and so that there was clearer paperwork for foreigners who want to marry foreigners here. (Some thread I've read recently show that embassies and ward offices don't agree and that they may even say people should contact the other, a vicious circle.) |
Agreed, Glenski. I like your post and agree with nearly everything in it, especially the portions that I bolded. |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Rooster_2006 wrote: |
I was really hoping that 2012 would have some actual stuff that we could use, like shortening the time to eijuuken or that sort of thing. |
Actually the government announced recently that they're going to introduce a second path to PR - a point-based system where one can obtain PR after 5 years (without being married).
Rooster_2006 wrote: |
The alien registration system will be abolished? I couldn't care less, and besides, "abolished" is a misnomer. "Renamed" would be a better way to put it. They're going to replace it with the "resident card" system, which will be exactly the same thing, just with a different name. |
Actually it will be abolished. Everything clearly states that foreigners will be given 住民票 and the 在留カード instead of some separate paper file at a ward/city office and a 外国人登録証. Previously foreigners and Japanese people had separate rules for moving but now the policies are largely aligned. Tons of Japanese don't bother to update their address when moving but foreigners are under the threat of huge fines, but....
Rooster_2006 wrote: |
The period of stay will be increased to a maximum of five years? This would be great, if:
...they gave us a hint as to the criteria for getting the five-year extension, rather than having the whole thing being "case-by-case," likely with 99% of the cases continuing to receive a 1- or 3-year extension.
...they hadn't also introduced three-month extensions (in other words, your extensions could be SHORTER from 2012 than they were in the past when one year was the minimum extension).
...it didn't make permanent residency (eijuuken) potentially more difficult to get:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=93213&highlight=
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The criteria for the length of extensions has always been a mystery. My boss told me that it depends on your employer (well-known employers usually get a longer visa) and your income (I was told people above 300,000 a month were getting 3 year visas but people earning less than that were getting 1 year visas). I don't know if it actually will affect PR but one can always ask immigration or an immigration lawyer when the time comes. I doubt that someone who got multiple 3 year renewals won't get a 5 year renewal the next time they apply.
Glenski wrote: |
I'm also not clear on why they created a 3-month work visa option. Would be nice to know what circumstances called for that. |
Westgate probably played a big role. |
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Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 984
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Inflames wrote: |
Rooster_2006 wrote: |
I was really hoping that 2012 would have some actual stuff that we could use, like shortening the time to eijuuken or that sort of thing. |
Actually the government announced recently that they're going to introduce a second path to PR - a point-based system where one can obtain PR after 5 years (without being married). |
I have been reading that same line in various newspapers a couple times a year since 2008 or 2009. At first, I got all excited every time I read about that second path to PR in the newspaper, but now it's 2012, and still, nothing. Not saying it won't eventually happen, but I'll believe it when I see it.
...though if you have a recent, credible source that discusses it, I'd love to read it! |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Inflames wrote: |
Previously foreigners and Japanese people had separate rules for moving but now the policies are largely aligned. Tons of Japanese don't bother to update their address when moving but foreigners are under the threat of huge fines, but.... |
But what? Are they supposed to do so now? We still are:
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_1/en/port-city.html#anchor-city
Those who have moved into a new residence
A mid- to long-term resident who has changed his/her place of residence is asked to bring his/her resident card to the municipal office of his/her new residence and notify the Ministry of Justice of the new residence within 14 days of moving to the new residence.
Inflames wrote: |
Actually it will be abolished. Everything clearly states that foreigners will be given 住民票 and the 在留カード instead of some separate paper file at a ward/city office and a 外国人登録証. |
So we get a brand new card whose only real difference is that it contains an IC chip? Ok, call it a residence/resident's card if you like. Why should it have such a label, when locals are also residents yet do not have such a card? This is part of the discrimination I mentioned earlier.
They say that "an IC chip [is] embedded for the purpose of preventing the resident cards from being forged or altered", but were there that many forgeries/alterations before? An IC chip is not fallible, either.
Also, according to this, even if you carry just a passport, you are required to have your residence card! Why? Unbelievable!
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/newimmiact/q_a_details1_english.html
Read about more problems with this IC card here:
http://www.japantoday.com/category/lifestyle/view/now-new-resident-registry-card-for-foreigners-create-big-brother-concerns
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ2011103116190
http://www.debito.org/?p=3668
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The criteria for the length of extensions has always been a mystery. My boss told me that it depends on your employer (well-known employers usually get a longer visa) and your income (I was told people above 300,000 a month were getting 3 year visas but people earning less than that were getting 1 year visas). |
Your boss doesn't know enough. People at NOVA (a very well-known employer) often waited for several 1-year renewals before getting their 3-year ones. And, in the typical case-by-case phenomenon, people making <300K sometimes got 3-year renewals. The criteria were not clear, and it didn't seem to follow any set pattern whatsoever. Still doesn't.
Inflames wrote: |
Glenski wrote: |
I'm also not clear on why they created a 3-month work visa option. Would be nice to know what circumstances called for that. |
Westgate probably played a big role. |
God, I hope not! One puny, shady little employer shouldn't be empowered enough to cause such a decision. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Inflames wrote: |
Actually it will be abolished. Everything clearly states that foreigners will be given 住民票 and the 在留カード instead of some separate paper file at a ward/city office and a 外国人登録証. Previously foreigners and Japanese people had separate rules for moving but now the policies are largely aligned. Tons of Japanese don't bother to update their address when moving but foreigners are under the threat of huge fines, but....
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Does this mean, I wonder, that those of us married to Japanese will actually be on the same juuminhyou as our spouses? At the moment I don't appear on the juuminhyou my husband and son are on since foreigners are considered to have a separate registration.
Last week I actually received notification from my ward that all foreign residents will be visited by a ward representative to have the new system personally explained to them- I suppose I can ask then, not sure when exactly it will be though! |
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