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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:29 am Post subject: English Majors - What do you do that is special for them? |
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A couple of recent posts mention English Majors.
I've taught them alongside classes or other majors eg vocational-type subjects.
My question is what others do that is special for the E Majors?
Do you have special topics ie literature or do you give them the same stuff as the others but just up the intensity to match their extra ability.
In my experience you are not told what your E Major students are studying with the CTs.
The first time I encountered E Majors I didn't know they were doing (sophomores) The Merchant of Venice until one fronted at my apartment one Saturday morning to ask what I knew about Shylock. |
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roadwalker

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: Ch
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:45 am Post subject: Re: English Majors - What do you do that is special for them |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
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In my experience you are not told what your E Major students are studying with the CTs.
The first time I encountered E Majors I didn't know they were doing (sophomores) The Merchant of Venice until one fronted at my apartment one Saturday morning to ask what I knew about Shylock. |
This lack of coordination drives me mad. I have tried to find out for other classes as well as English-major classes but have mostly been met with blank stares or confusion. The idea of the native English speaking teacher reinforcing and amplifying subject topics from an oral English (or writing, e.g.) perspective doesn't seem to be a goal. One more area that Chinese education (at least as far as teaching English goes) lacks. Oral English is something that can be separated and is wholly apart from general English. Funny, that seems to be a very western non-holistic approach.
Sometimes I just ask what the students are studying and make something up on the spot to riff off of that lesson, but a more integrated approach would be nice. With some notice we could plan oral classes that solidify or explain dry grammatical lessons, or explore literary concepts. Or at least we could use phrases in the other lessons in context so that they could be used more in the future.
I don't know that I do anything different for English majors. I've met other major students with better English than my students, but generally speaking the English majors are just at a higher level than the others. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 768 Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: |
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My workload in my University is primarily with the English majors. I have two classes with international business & foreign trade students but thats mostly the University taking advantage of my major and primary experience.
TBH my classes are generally the same with a focus on the oral element. Time is a major issue so I tend to focus on fluency, hoping that they can fix the accuracy issues (I don't immediately notice) on their own.
With English majors I encourage them to experiment more with words they learn in other classes or through dictionary use (I will allocate time from classes to disuss new words, their meanings, and possible usages beyond that of what the dictionary tells them). I also focus perhaps on more "practical" english. i.e. the english in use on a common day basis as opposed to the more formal & somewhat technical english they learn from their chinese teachers. I still hold the view that English majors need this practical aspect more than other majors since they're more likely to come into contact with foreigners or have foreign friends.
I just wish I could get them to think beyond having dream jobs as a translator or english teacher. They can't seem to understand that the job market is saturated and they need to consider other qualifications or study to be marketable. Oh well. |
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Miles Smiles

Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1294 Location: Heebee Jeebee
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Usually, English majors will produce a senior thesis during their senior year. Prepare them for that. The concept of thesis seems to be foreign to Chinese students.
If your major is English and you hold an MA in English, you may be assigned content courses such as argumentation. If their curriculum doesn't include argumentation and you have been given no real goals for your class work, you might want to teach them a little deductive logic and fallacious arguments. (Look them up. There are some fallacious arguments which lend themselves to interesting discussion). You can assign several fallacies to use in paragraphs (and how to avoid using them), very short fictional anecdotes, and arguments. If you pursue argumentation, teach them about thesis, argument support (evidence), addressing possible objections, and closing argument.
These are very good things for them to learn should they go on to graduate school. I think that giving them a smidgen of deductive logic via exposure to fallacies is a good thing because none of the students I've ever taught have ever been exposed to deductive logic. (Skip the Venn diagrams. They get that in math.)If you're creative, you can present funny examples of fallacious arguments.
Something which I proposed in another thread to assign situational dialogs to class members but with a twist: give them only a few minutes (in class) to prepare a presentation. This will make them accustomed to thinking on their feet. In time, the good English majors will enjoy the challenge. Just get them talking. Don't grade too harshly (if at all). The idea is to get the students to forget that they're in class and to make them place themselves in the situation.
I'd stay away from trying to reinforce their literature classes except to show an occasional movie depicting an entire Shakespearean play or novel in MODERN English. I suggest this because in some universities, the students are exposed to only a synopsis of the play or novel and then a few famous sonnets or excerpts from the play. They don't really struggle with the subplots or the minor characters. One problem with getting involved in western literature is that (in my experience) their teachers take a Marxist approach to interpretation and criticism. This is fine and dandy, but Marxist criticism isn't the only form of criticism. ("Grapes of Wrath" lends itself to Marxist literary criticism, but what about "Huckleberry Finn"? I've seen it done, and it was strained, at best). You may find yourself red-faced when you are confronted by their literature teacher.
In interesting things to do in class is to conduct job interviews in front of the class. In this situation the class writes comments about the students' performance. In the job interview, I usually make suggestions regarding effective answers. Once, a guy played the interviewee. I asked him how much he expected to make if he were hired. He said that he would work for free. I showed him the error of his ways and how to handle that question by asking the interviewer (me) how much he was offering. As each student came up for an interview, he came more prepared to answer questions and to answer questions in an intelligent and mature fashion. The first student to be interviewed was given a second chance. I usually didn't spend an entire class period on this. I'd do this when I thought that the students were getting burned out by their other classes and needed something to make them think and enjoy themselves.
In one class, a male student volunteered to be interviewed after I told the class that the interview would be very difficult.
--- Good morning Mr. Wang. We have reviewed your resume and the results of your personality test and Megacorporation International is happy to inform you that you qualify for the position of chief breaker.
"Breaker? What do you mean by 'breaker'?"
--- You will be working as a manual laborer breaking rocks with a very large hammer. We will offer you the sum of two yuan per hour. What do you think?
The kid was horrified and felt ambushed by my proposal. I was surprised by how well he could muster his vocabulary and poise to tell me that there was some sort of mistake. he then began telling me his qualifications for the job that he wanted.
You might want to assign some short, famous poems for them to memorize. The English majors that i have known want to know everything about the English language. Everything. You'll be surprised by how much of what you teach them sticks.
I remember making a statement in one class that language was one of the prime transmitters of culture. Two years later, I sat in on a student's senior thesis presentation only to hear him make that same statement. I asked him later where he got that statement. He remembered that i said it in my class. Their exposure to linguistics as undergrads is usually scant to nonexistent, so the more interesting facts that you can present, the better. They will remember things that you tell them if it they help them to see The Big Picture.
One thing that you can present in class are idioms, sayings and proverbs classified by subject matter. English majors seem to enjoy the food idioms and sayings the most. These can be found on the internet. Class activities can include asking the class to fill in the blank and then explain the meaning of the saying or idiom as you give a verbal prompt such as " Who moved my______?" (For those of you who aren't up on workplace sayings, the answer is cheese).
I think we must remember something. Learning is the responsibility of the student. The less you do in class and the more the student does the better. Design activities for THEM, unless you intend to lecture. Even then, keep the lectures short and require them to take notes. (English majors are usually copious note-takers).
It's irritating when you are given NO direction for your class, especially when you are given NO textbook or you are given a wholly inappropriate text book. You must be creative. Sometimes it just doesn't come to you, so you must continually think of new activities to use. Humor seems to work best.
Keep copies of all of your handouts and exercises. If you stay in China for awhile, a lot of your past work will help you in the present. |
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Miles Smiles

Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1294 Location: Heebee Jeebee
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| cormac wrote: |
I just wish I could get them to think beyond having dream jobs as a translator or english teacher. They can't seem to understand that the job market is saturated and they need to consider other qualifications or study to be marketable. Oh well. |
THAT's a good thing to get them to do. Ask them what jobs would allow them to use their English AND to make more money than an English teacher.
One student proposed teaming up with a bus owner and forming a tour company. That was in 2006. She married a guy who bought a bus and now they have a tour company.
This sort of discussion is critical to their future success.
I've given students the opportunity to teach fifteen minutes of class.
Great! They can be teachers! I explain that if they can teach, they can sell. If they can sell, they can make money. If they can sell to the English-speaking world, they can make a LOT of money. So many jobs in China require relatively little technical knowledge but require the ability to speak English. If you can engage them in such discussions, you will help them get a leg up in the world.
They'll thank you for that. |
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MisterButtkins
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| Miles Smiles wrote: |
| cormac wrote: |
I just wish I could get them to think beyond having dream jobs as a translator or english teacher. They can't seem to understand that the job market is saturated and they need to consider other qualifications or study to be marketable. Oh well. |
THAT's a good thing to get them to do. Ask them what jobs would allow them to use their English AND to make more money than an English teacher.
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I find this discussion interesting in light of how certain people on this forum maintain that the Chinese English teachers are absolutely swimming in money. Personally I'm not completely convinced. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 768 Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| MisterButtkins wrote: |
| I find this discussion interesting in light of how certain people on this forum maintain that the Chinese English teachers are absolutely swimming in money. Personally I'm not completely convinced. |
Not intending to go OT but I'd agree with you. The vast majority of Chinese English teachers I know aren't earning much, or at the very least aren't flaunting a high income (those with cars, are married to someone in business). I'm guessing they're talking about the teachers from the universities/colleges where the richer students go to. My own students have very little spending power, and the "gifts" they give to the chinese teachers reflect that. |
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