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ecocks



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject: Japan? Reply with quote

So, I read through the FAQ's and looked over discussion threads but still had a few questions. I have undergraduate and graduate business degrees in management and IT, a 120-hour reputable TEFL certificate with student contact hours during the program, 3 years of public school teaching in the US, 11 years of University teaching (adjunct courses), 2 years of university teaching of Senior/Grad level Business courses to non-natives in Eastern Europe and 3 years ESL experience in Eastern Europe.

How are they (Japanese employers) on hiring ESL teachers in their mid-50's?

24-25 contact hours seems reasonable in their job descriptions, do they adhere to this or begin trying to "stretch" you to cover other classes?

I could live in a cruise ship cabin easily enough as long as I have a good desk area and internet, so the 1K and 1DK look okay for a minimalist like myself. Are the lofts still common in the apartments?

If you just live by cellphone and don't have a landline or care to watch cable over there, what are your internet options?

I notice a couple of the schools include a car. One of the best things about Eastern Europe was that I went three years without a car due to the metro and bus systems. I suspected the car was to get from lesson to lesson, how big a problem is it to get a position at a central location or make use of public transit?

It seems like they do a LOT more with children than Eastern Europe (except maybe Georgia or Poland). How hard is it to work almost pure adults?

What is the difference between Eikaiwa, Jet and ALT? Is there a summary of that somewhere that I missed?

Those answers will get me started but I'm sure that I can come up with a host of others. Thanks for your responses.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Japan? Reply with quote

[quote="ecocks"]How are they (Japanese employers) on hiring ESL teachers in their mid-50's?[/i]

In general, they're not fussy about your age. All contracts are short term.

Some Japanese employers won't hire young men to work with kids, so your age might help there. On the other hand, some schools have quite a few handsome young men....

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24-25 contact hours seems reasonable in their job descriptions, do they adhere to this or begin trying to "stretch" you to cover other classes?


Not too much. It's an issue of health insurance: if you can demonstrate that you're working an average of 30+ hours a week for 3 months, they're obliged to put you on the statutory employee health insurance program. They'll find plenty of other ways to jerk you around, though.

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Are the lofts still common in the apartments?


Not quite sure what you mean.

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If you just live by cellphone and don't have a landline or care to watch cable over there, what are your internet options?


Pretty good. You can get a broadband-only, or broadband + cellphone service for a not-too-high price. I don't like the way the cellphone market works here.

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I notice a couple of the schools include a car. One of the best things about Eastern Europe was that I went three years without a car due to the metro and bus systems. I suspected the car was to get from lesson to lesson, how big a problem is it to get a position at a central location or make use of public transit?


For ALTs and JETs (see below) a car might be necessary to reach rural schools. Otherwise, the public transport network is excellent (albeit horribly crowded). Eikaiwas are near stations, so you won't need a car.

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It seems like they do a LOT more with children than Eastern Europe (except maybe Georgia or Poland). How hard is it to work almost pure adults?


You're certainly narrowing your options. It's probably better to go for a job that gives you a visa, and then look around once you're here.

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What is the difference between Eikaiwa, Jet and ALT? Is there a summary of that somewhere that I missed?


eikaiwa is expat slang. The Japanese term is eikaiwa gakkou which means English conversation school. A typical eikaiwa teaches kids classes (mostly 3--12 years old) and hobby groups (mostly ladies of a certain age -- verging on host / hostess work) in the afternoons, and business / career-oriented classes in the evenings. The teacher is expected to be "professional", by which they mean you must expected to wear a tie, smile, and cope with whatever insane schedule and inadequate materials they throw at you. You will have very little control over your working conditions, and will have to teach a ridiculous syllabus based on a crappy proprietary texts and minimal resources.

ALT means Assistant Language Teacher. At Junior High and High School level, you will assist a Japanese Teacher of English in whatever way they see fit. That might mean developing your own lesson plan and materials, or it might mean "Repeat after me ...." At Elementary School level you will mostly teach the class yourself although, again, it depends on the Homeroom Teacher. The majority of ALTs are hired through agencies -- Interac is the largest.

JET refers to a government program to bring foreigners into Japanese schools to "internationalize" the kids. It's a cushy deal, but JETs became a rare breed once the Boards of Education figured out that they could hire ALTs instead.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Age

But no visa restrictions like some places in ME or (I thought) China where visas are not issued or there is a stigma about us older folks?

Re: Contact Hours

I did some additional reading and it seems this is one of the dodges and that in fact there are no minimum hours worked for coverage under the National Health System. I saw enough of this mis/dis-information tactic usage in Ukraine so it's no real surprise. I assume though if you make an issue of it they decide to either give you the contract or move to the next, more pliable applicant? Some of the ads specify 32=35 hours acknowledging the prep.

Re: Lofts

One thread that discussed housing in detail showed pictures of loft as Leopalace 21 (?). Reminded me of children's furniture units with built-ins and ladders and all. Was just curious if the lofts were the norm or do most just roll out a futon on the floor to sleep, then roll it back up in the morning? Also, did I understand correctly that they aren't too big on ovens over there?

Re: Age of Students

I taught HS for three years and realized my patience with "the slackers" was a bit lacking. Serious students wanting academic test prep, reading comprehension and writing skills are fine but I am not sure I am ready for kickball at recess time. In Ukraine I think my youngest student was 17. Anyway, I prefer older students but it's not critical as long as there's some corporate work to keep my mind in the game.

Thanks for your explanation of the different levels. Sounds like the Eikaiwas are most like what I understand and can relate to although obviously we learn when we hit a new area.

Re: Private Students

I have read that there is still a market for private students there. It's understood you need to develop your marketing plan to get to them. What sorts of hourly rates are considered appropriate there? Is meeting in the apartments an acceptable thing to do or is that too informal?
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecocks wrote:
Re: Age

But no visa restrictions like some places in ME or (I thought) China where visas are not issued or there is a stigma about us older folks?


Hmm ... if you're planning to be here a few years, you should check whether work visas are issued to 60 year olds. 60 is considered the normal retirement age.

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Re: Contact Hours

I did some additional reading and it seems this is one of the dodges and that in fact there are no minimum hours worked for coverage under the National Health System.


You're being misled. It's true that the law says there are no minimum hours, but that's not how things work here. The civil service has the power to "interpret" the law in any way it chooses -- the other organs of state always defer -- and the civil service interprets the law as only applying to full-time (30+ hours) workers.

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Some of the ads specify 32=35 hours acknowledging the prep.


Really!? If you give me the URL for those adverts, I'll try and get an expert opinion.

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Re: Lofts

One thread that discussed housing in detail showed pictures of loft as Leopalace 21 (?). Reminded me of children's furniture units with built-ins and ladders and all. Was just curious if the lofts were the norm or do most just roll out a futon on the floor to sleep, then roll it back up in the morning?


I'm still not sure what you're talking about. Is this a difference between British and American English? In British English, the loft is the awkwardly shaped space between the ceiling and the pitched roof.

As you say, most space-deprived Japanese roll up their futons and put them in a cupboard during the day.

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Also, did I understand correctly that they aren't too big on ovens over there?


That's right. Most "ovens" are microwave ovens with extra bar heaters like the ones you find in toasters. You can just about bake a pie, or a small loaf of bread. I've never seen a western-style free standing kitchen stove / oven in a Japanese house.

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I have read that there is still a market for private students there. It's understood you need to develop your marketing plan to get to them. What sorts of hourly rates are considered appropriate there? Is meeting in the apartments an acceptable thing to do or is that too informal?


What alternatives were you considering?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Age might play a factor, especially with some eikaiwa or with young kids. Case by case.

If you shoot for a university position FT, it might also work against you, since a lot of unis have to pay more for people over 35 or so.

Lofts in apartments? I have never seen or heard of such.

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how big a problem is it to get a position at a central location or make use of public transit?
I wouldn't count on being given a car in most cases, if that's what you mean. Rural areas need them more.

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How hard is it to work almost pure adults?
IMO, fairly hard. Do you count college age students as adults? (I wouldn't.) If you get on eikaiwa, you might have to teach a mix of classes with different ages. Business English courses are about the only ones where you can be guaranteed adults only.

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What is the difference between Eikaiwa, Jet and ALT? Is there a summary of that somewhere that I missed?
Eikaiwa = conversation school
You have 2-10 students per class and you are the sole teacher. Students can be mixed ages and levels, and they might take an entrance test to be assigned your class. School may have a specific format you should stick to, or you might be all on your own. Hours are usually 12 to 9pm and could be any day of the week.

JET is a government program for ALTs to be placed in mostly rural public schools. There are also dispatch agencies that hire people to be ALTs. In both cases you are likely to teach in more than one. Class sizes are considerably larger (20-40), all the same age, all forced to take the course, and you are not the boss (a Japanese teacher is). You might do very little teaching (human tape recorder) or you might have a lot of responsibilities. Hours are 9-ish to 4-ish Mon-Fri.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Glen.

If I land a spot I'll bring a BIG bottle of B12 and, if necessary, work on my kickball skills. It's not so bad, I can deal with a few classes of early teenagers and maybe the young ones are not all that intimidating. Can't be any worse than spoiled grand children.

The lofts were in some thread where you were talking to some guy about the prices of apartments and the definitions of "decent" and "nice" as descriptors. Elevated beds or sleeping platforms may be a better term but that was what was being discussed along with toilet layouts.

Good on the car, I'll stay away from rural areas that might require it. I greatly prefer metros and trolley/tram usage.

I count adults as anyone who approaches the process with a serious frame of mind. I prefer working with the 18-40 bracket. The late schedule doesn't bother me since it doesn't have that pattern from Eastern Europe of 7A-10A then break until 4P-9P. That really messed up the sleep cycles and the 2 day a week patterns and shared class setups really chopped up the routines.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecocks wrote:
The lofts were in some thread where you were talking to some guy about the prices of apartments and the definitions of "decent" and "nice" as descriptors.


Hehe. I was beginning to think you'd mistaken a Leopalace rabbit hutch for somebody's loft, and that we were going to have to break it to you gently that people actually think of them as apartments.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lofts are common in Leopalace 1K apartments, although they do have just as many 1Ks that have a raised bed with storage cupboards underneath rather than a laddered loft.

I have seen a couple of other apartments that have a proper loft area (as in I could almost stand up straight in the space) for sleeping/storage but I don't think lofts are all that common outside of Leopalace (although I could be wrong).

For those of you who don't know about Leopalace lofts take a look at the pics: http://en.leopalace21.com/room/

Otherwise watch Kimi wa Petto for glimpses of the other kind of loft I'm talking about. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
For those of you who don't know about Leopalace lofts take a look at the pics: http://en.leopalace21.com/room/


Oh, I see!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
ecocks wrote:
The lofts were in some thread where you were talking to some guy about the prices of apartments and the definitions of "decent" and "nice" as descriptors.


Hehe. I was beginning to think you'd mistaken a Leopalace rabbit hutch for somebody's loft, and that we were going to have to break it to you gently that people actually think of them as apartments.


LOL! A rabbit hutch is not an unfair comparison of what I saw.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecocks wrote:
Thanks Glen.

If I land a spot I'll bring a BIG bottle of B12
Whatever that is.

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maybe the young ones are not all that intimidating. Can't be any worse than spoiled grand children.
I think someone our age would get physically drained with the kids' classes. Beware.

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Good on the car, I'll stay away from rural areas that might require it. I greatly prefer metros and trolley/tram usage.
You're ignoring quite the market, as many/most people don't want to work in the rural areas. Helps your language skills, too.

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I count adults as anyone who approaches the process with a serious frame of mind. I prefer working with the 18-40 bracket.
Few in eikaiwa are truly serious. Bear in mind that ages 10-25 tend to have mental/social/emotional ages about 5 years younger than their physical age, IMO.

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The late schedule doesn't bother me since it doesn't have that pattern from Eastern Europe of 7A-10A then break until 4P-9P.
It might, depending on the eikaiwa. I worked a couple of classes noon to 3ish, then off for dinner and back from 6 to 9.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecocks wrote:
Thanks Glen.

If I land a spot I'll bring a BIG bottle of B12 and, if necessary, work on my kickball skills. It's not so bad, I can deal with a few classes of early teenagers and maybe the young ones are not all that intimidating. Can't be any worse than spoiled grand children.

The lofts were in some thread where you were talking to some guy about the prices of apartments and the definitions of "decent" and "nice" as descriptors. Elevated beds or sleeping platforms may be a better term but that was what was being discussed along with toilet layouts.

Good on the car, I'll stay away from rural areas that might require it. I greatly prefer metros and trolley/tram usage.

I count adults as anyone who approaches the process with a serious frame of mind. I prefer working with the 18-40 bracket. The late schedule doesn't bother me since it doesn't have that pattern from Eastern Europe of 7A-10A then break until 4P-9P. That really messed up the sleep cycles and the 2 day a week patterns and shared class setups really chopped up the routines.


Elementary school isn't so hard. At recess, not everybody is playing sports. Kids will play also tag, play in the sandbox, on the swings/jungle gyms, or they stay in their classroom and draw on the blackboard (Whenever I couldn't play sports I used to join the kids and hunt for bugs, feed the rabbits, or water the classroom plants). Also, from my experience, few teachers are outside at all. They're generally in the teachers' room anyway.

And, generally, elementary schoolchildren are the most respectful of students (it's the 13-14yr olds that are the worst--plus, of course, the "bad seeds").

And about the car: Driving in Japan is one of the most gratifying experiences I've ever had when it comes to being behind the wheel. I'm sure it's like driving through the famous backroads of Europe. Urban areas are, obviously, not worth it, but if you're ever out in the countryside, the winding roads, the rivers and the mountains/valleys are super inspiring. If an employer lends you a company car, don't hesitate to take it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought I'd jump in and mention that the Leopalace apt that a friend of mine had, had a small loft and I wished I'd had it since the apartment as a whole seemed more roomy. Anyway, I've always referred to that area that you guys are describing as a loft as well.
Glenski wrote:
ecocks wrote:
Thanks Glen.

If I land a spot I'll bring a BIG bottle of B12
Whatever that is.
Probably referring to vitamin B12 which is good for energy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good that I wasn't hallucinating about "lofts". I do remember one of those really fitting that "rabbit hutch" description but actually thought it was sort of cute. Made me want to get my pirate gear and practice my "Argh" vocabulary.

Yes, B12 for energy.

I've never been a day sleeper so that early morning work, break and then evening schedule combo in Europe was rough at first. Then I got setup, scheduled early mornings two or three times a week, filled the mid-day with uni classes and would only work til 7 a couple of weeknights. 12/1 to 9/10 as a set schedule doesn't sound bad as long as the transportation is safe and reliable compared to that first year in Europe.

I don't mind kids so much as long as they really want to be there. The nice thing about ESL (IMO) was that people were paying to be there rather than being forced. I particularly enjoyed working with the kids wanting to do well on TEOFL, GMAT, SAT and mastering academic writing as they pursued scholarships.

I've lived around rural areas but someone else is welcome to drive if needed for being out and about with the expat troops or bein behind the wheel on those scenic drives.

Speaking of which, what are some forums for expat networking over there?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Leopalace 1DK with a 'loft' when I first came to Japan - it might also be known as a mezzanine (very charitably speaking). Do bear in mind that in summer they're unbearably hot to sleep in. Cold air sinks; the AC outlet is usually below the level of the loft.

Therefore they exist, although whether or not you actually want one is a different proposition entirely.
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