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refikagurz
Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 31 Location: Earth
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:23 am Post subject: Intensive Japanese Courses |
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Hi.. Couldn't find anything by searching, but I'm sure it's been discussed in the past. I have some time off in March and would like to take an intensive Japanese course preferably in the Yokohama area (I'm in Kamakura). Does anyone recommend an organization? Thanks in advance for your help. |
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Rob1209
Joined: 15 Jan 2012 Posts: 36
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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I might get ripped to shreds for saying this on this forum, but why not just sign up to an online course? Japanesepod101.com is really good and has a variety of options to suit most budgets. Probably work out a lot cheaper than a traditional classroom-based course, and it can be as intensive as you want and can allow the time for it to be. Okay, you don't get the one-to-one talking time (you actually can with some of the comprehensive packages), but if you're living in Japan already there's about 128m people to practice with. I'm lucky enough to be able to give 4-5 hours a day to it at the moment and my Japanese is coming on really well, both spoken and written. I think they even have free 2-week trials and the like, so you can see if it's for you before splashing the cash. Even better, combine the online course with regular one-to-one tutor lessons (not intensive, say 1-2 a week), for the best of both worlds.
I must just add, I have no personal connection with Japanesepod101.com, other than being a happy customer. Other online courses are available! |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Rob1209 wrote: |
I might get ripped to shreds for saying this on this forum, but why not just sign up to an online course? Japanesepod101.com is really good and has a variety of options to suit most budgets. Probably work out a lot cheaper than a traditional classroom-based course, and it can be as intensive as you want and can allow the time for it to be. Okay, you don't get the one-to-one talking time (you actually can with some of the comprehensive packages), but if you're living in Japan already there's about 128m people to practice with. I'm lucky enough to be able to give 4-5 hours a day to it at the moment and my Japanese is coming on really well, both spoken and written. I think they even have free 2-week trials and the like, so you can see if it's for you before splashing the cash. Even better, combine the online course with regular one-to-one tutor lessons (not intensive, say 1-2 a week), for the best of both worlds.
I must just add, I have no personal connection with Japanesepod101.com, other than being a happy customer. Other online courses are available! |
I agree. I would just go to edufire and get a tutor. I went to a Japanese school, and I know many people that have been to various schools as well. Seems the best way to learn is on your own. Get a textbook, get Remembering the kanji, or a decent kanji book, and a tutor. It will cost less, and you can progress much quicker, than if you were in a classroom. |
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refikagurz
Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 31 Location: Earth
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:58 am Post subject: courses |
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Thanks for the nice replies/suggestions! Think a tutor would suit my needs better. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: Re: courses |
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refikagurz wrote: |
Thanks for the nice replies/suggestions! Think a tutor would suit my needs better. |
Yeah, if you find a good one, it will def be worth it. I learned more in the US, using a tutor twice a week, than in the same amount of time that I was at KansaiGaidai.
Most of the upper level learners that I have met, and have heard from on the net, say that schools just aren't worth it. Especially since hiring a tutor costs about the same.
Kinda like the difference between a PE course and getting a personal trainer. |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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When it comes to learning Japanese, a lot depends on your motivation.
I think going to outside classes at some school is good as you can't reschedule but rather you must follow their schedule. Of course, you should always try to get a demo lesson first - some friends and I have joined places that weren't good.
A tutor might be good for some people, but I liked the classroom atmosphere better. You got to know other students and we would wind up doing stuff like getting lunch after class. There'll be homework and other activities for you, in addition to a plan and an end goal for the class.
I had a friend refer a middle-aged woman as a tutor and she proceeded to ask me what kind of women I liked. |
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aynnej
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 53 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Definitely sit through a trial lesson if you opt for the classroom option. Honestly, I didn't understand my Japanese lessons at all for nearly a year. Although I'd memorized the hiragana and katakana characters via flashcards before starting the lessons, that's not the same as *reading* them. I couldn't read the notes on the board fast enough, nor take notes without using the roman alphabet. I basically had to sort everything out for myself after each lesson, asking my Japanese friends to explain the grammar concepts in English. A lot of people advocate immersion language acquisition, but I think for an absolute beginner, a little English can go a long way. |
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aynnej
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 53 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, I'd also recommend Japanesepod101.com. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Well if you have initiative and the ability to time manage, you can work a job and study Japanese. That way you aren't into a negative swing, financial wise.
Do you really need tests and pop quizzes to motivate you, when you are living in Japan?
I'd rather be making a bit of money, and studying at my own pace, rather than throwing away a bunch of money to study at a groups' pace.
edufire, they have some good tutors there |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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rxk22 wrote: |
Well if you have initiative and the ability to time manage, you can work a job and study Japanese. That way you aren't into a negative swing, financial wise.
Do you really need tests and pop quizzes to motivate you, when you are living in Japan?
I'd rather be making a bit of money, and studying at my own pace, rather than throwing away a bunch of money to study at a groups' pace.
edufire, they have some good tutors there |
For about 95% of the native Engish speakers I know living in Japan isn't enough incentive to learn a respectable amount of Japanese. There are two native English speakers I know who have reached a reasonable level of Japanese. I know far too many people who have been here for 10 years yet would fail JLPT level 2, much less understand the notices in the entrance of their apartment building.
I'm a person who likes a challenge - almost all of the classes and tutors who teach English speakers tend to operate under the (laughable) idea that "kanji are difficult" so the class must go at a ridiculously slow pace. That's also one of the reasons why I recommend classes (as far too many Westerners seem to have some delusion that kanji are difficult). |
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Tsian
Joined: 10 Jan 2012 Posts: 85
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Inflames:
I think that attitude exists, although I would also content a lot of long-timers are more than able to read general notices -- they've learned the necessary kanji and not much else.
But then again they are often continuously in a position where the expectation is that they speak mostly English, which is never conducive to learning Japanese at any reasonable pace. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Inflames wrote: |
rxk22 wrote: |
Well if you have initiative and the ability to time manage, you can work a job and study Japanese. That way you aren't into a negative swing, financial wise.
Do you really need tests and pop quizzes to motivate you, when you are living in Japan?
I'd rather be making a bit of money, and studying at my own pace, rather than throwing away a bunch of money to study at a groups' pace.
edufire, they have some good tutors there |
For about 95% of the native Engish speakers I know living in Japan isn't enough incentive to learn a respectable amount of Japanese. There are two native English speakers I know who have reached a reasonable level of Japanese. I know far too many people who have been here for 10 years yet would fail JLPT level 2, much less understand the notices in the entrance of their apartment building.
I'm a person who likes a challenge - almost all of the classes and tutors who teach English speakers tend to operate under the (laughable) idea that "kanji are difficult" so the class must go at a ridiculously slow pace. That's also one of the reasons why I recommend classes (as far too many Westerners seem to have some delusion that kanji are difficult). |
oh yeah most gaijin here, don't have much in the way of Japanese ability. But then again, most don't actively study. L've met people who've been here 10+ years who have survival and bar Japanese, and that's it.
If you want to study, you'll find the time to study. Not everyone can afford school, though.
I know I can't time and money wise. But I can afford to sit down and study a good 20mins or so a day.
Anyhow, if you find the right tutor, that's all you need. I found mine on edufire, and after having done Japanese here in Japan, the tutor is the way to go. I also found that a lot of the vocab and other grammar quizzes slow down my learning. That and being in a class. As we all don7t move at the same pace.
But to be honest, Kanji is something you have to study on your own. Learning it in class just isn't practical, unless you have years to send on kanji classes. I have been really happy with RTK. |
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