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algernonsidney



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: TEFL or TESOL? Reply with quote

What is the difference between a TEFL and a TESOL? Which one is more valuable to have? Is one easier or harder to get?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TEFL = Teaching English as a Foreign Language
TESOL = Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages

Although you might see certificates in TEFL or TESOL, they're essentially the same thing with similar teacher training content.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TEFL = Teaching English as a Foreign Language (in a country where English is not the native language). TESOL = Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (may be immigrants or in a non-Anglophone country).

Neither of these is a course. TEFL/TESL courses have a variety of names, many of which incorporate one or both of these acronyms.

Depending where you hope to teach, the basic entry-level course for most regions is 120 hours on site, and including at least 6 hours of practice teaching with real students. Online courses are generally not considered to meet the standard.

CELTA, SIT, and Trinity offer good basic courses - these are the name brands. There are also some generics that meet the standard.

Where do you hope to teach? If we have that info, someone who is there can tell you what certification is accepted in that region.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
TEFL = Teaching English as a Foreign Language
TESOL = Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages

Although you might see certificates in TEFL or TESOL, they're essentially the same thing with similar teacher training content.
There was a time, of course, when a distinction was made between teaching English to speakers of other languages in their non-anglophone countries (TEFL) and teaching English to speakers of other languages in anglophone countries (TESL/TESOL). Now it seems it's all pretty much interchangeable.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The acronyms are sometimes mixed, but the functional reality of teaching in an Anglophone country as versus a non-Anglophone country remains very different.

Another reason it's best if at all possible to take a cert course in the country where one wants to start working.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
The acronyms are sometimes mixed, but the functional reality of teaching in an Anglophone country as versus a non-Anglophone country remains very different.

Another reason it's best if at all possible to take a cert course in the country where one wants to start working.

Indubitably, my dear Spiral! Plus, some employment ads indicate a preference for applicants with previous teaching experience/practice gained abroad or better yet, in the target region or actual country. Therefore, getting a TEFL cert in your desired country also gives you a competitive edge for teaching opportunities in the area, and you usually can start teaching right away.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
The acronyms are sometimes mixed, but the functional reality of teaching in an Anglophone country as versus a non-Anglophone country remains very different.



I've taught English to immigrants in the States as well as to foreign students who wanted to stay in the US and enter university there. I've also taught English abroad in Mexico, England and Spain. To tell you the truth, I haven't felt that the approaches I used varied that much from place to the other.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also taught both EFL and ESL. For me, the biggest difference is whether the students in a given class share a first language or not.
There are pros and cons for both.

Isla Guapa, if you've worked with primarily Spanish speakers, whether they are immigrants or in their home country, that could colour your experience a bit. Was that the case? I don't know what percentage of foreign students in the US are native Spanish speakers - maybe not so many. But Mexico and Spain would share an L1 (roughly:-)).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
I've also taught both EFL and ESL. For me, the biggest difference is whether the students in a given class share a first language or not.
There are pros and cons for both.

Isla Guapa, if you've worked with primarily Spanish speakers, whether they are immigrants or in their home country, that could colour your experience a bit. Was that the case? I don't know what percentage of foreign students in the US are native Spanish speakers - maybe not so many. But Mexico and Spain would share an L1 (roughly:-)).


While in the US, I worked with students who were from all over the map: Latin America, Europe, the Middle East, Asia and even a few from Africa. I liked the fact that they didn't all speak the same language and did my best to make sure that they didn't try to use their native tongues in class when I my attention was directed elsewhere!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, students not sharing an L1 can make a teacher's life a bit easier in some ways Very Happy Harder in others... Cool

Another important difference in EFL and ESL is that students studying English in Anglophone countries may (not always!) be more directly motivated. Also, they may have more need for regionalisms as versus EFL learners who will more likely use their English with other non-native speakers or Anglophone speakers from a variety of countries.

As you already know well, I.G.!! Sorry - didn't intend to preach to the choir (how regional is that idiom??!!).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention the importance of teaching the culture of the target language, especially to present the language usage within authentic contexts. For ESL, the students already have some exposure to the culture because they're living in it, unless they're newly-arrived refugees. But for teaching EFL, the students' knowledge and understanding of the general culture(s) of English-speaking countries may be limited or based on stereotypes and misperceptions. Then there's the cross-cultural challenge of including the target culture in the students' language learning experience. For example, those of us teaching in conservative Midde Eastern countries have to be ultra careful about how we present and incorporate information about our home culture without offending the students or breaking any laws or mores. In this respect, it's critical to have a solid understanding of the students' culture---more so than in other countries or language learning situations we're teaching in. Overall, this mostly has been my experience in varying my approach to TESL versus TEFL.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But for teaching EFL, the students' knowledge and understanding of the general culture(s) of English-speaking countries may be limited or based on stereotypes and misperceptions. Then there's the cross-cultural challenge of including the target culture in the students' language learning experience.


Most of my European students are studying English to communicate with other non-native speakers, or with Brits (I'm American). My students have never been particularly interested in US culture and I don't impose information about it on them (sure, I get a few occasional questions mostly about politics, which I'm happy to answer, but nothing extensive). I've basically omitted cultural contexts for years, and find it quite easy to do so. Language and culture are more separate than many believe, IMO.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with spiral78 and Isla Guapa. I've done EFL and ESL (TESOL can be used as a blanket term to include both). The methodology is more or less the same, but my current students in the US are generally much more motivated. Once they get through their English courses, they can be enrolled as university students--HUGE motivating factor for them.

But back to the terminology--I've never really been comfortable using 'ESL' to refer to students who study in English-speaking countries and then return home. Once they're home, English is a foreign language, not a second language. They're in a very different situation from immigrants or refugees. So although I am teaching in the US now, and according to the standard terminology I am teaching ESL, it still doesn't feel like the correct label. But maybe that's just me. I'm weird about labels.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Where do you hope to teach? If we have that info, someone who is there can tell you what certification is accepted in that region.


I'm pretty open at this point. Ideally, I would like to go to:

Chile
any Spanish-speaking country in the Western Hemisphere
India maybe
Estonia
Switzerland

These are in order from top to bottom.
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