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gloomyGumi
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 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: Malaysia or Turkey? |
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| What do you think are the pluses and minuses and the final decision to choose one of these 2 countries to work for 3 or 4 years as a married individual with 1 child? |
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Nemodot
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Well both quite different but depends. If you re in KL it's western friendly but tropical heat not to everyones taste. Turkey is closer to Europe and family (assuming you are European). Crikey so many things I could mention! How old is the child? What are the packages? Are you getting free schooling? Have you visited either country?
I suggest you flip a coin. Heads for turkey lol |
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Nemodot. The child will be 11 this summer. She is with the grandparents in Guyana, S.A. My wife and I are in Korea now for 3 years and trying to choose betwixt M and T, not having been to either! 
Flipping a cin is probably best. I am a US citizen, Armenian heritage. My wife is an East Indian Guyanese citizen. She's used to tropical, Im Ok with it but prefer the 4 seasons and closer to Euro lifestyle.
Main concern really is our daughter 11 years old speaking only Caribbean "English" right now. I've heard the schools are expensive? If we are on residence permits, does that allow her to attend a school for a cheaper price? I know she will have to learn Turkish and that all classes taught in Turkish..... |
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Nemodot
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| gloomyGumi wrote: |
Thanks Nemodot. The child will be 11 this summer. She is with the grandparents in Guyana, S.A. My wife and I are in Korea now for 3 years and trying to choose betwixt M and T, not having been to either!
Flipping a cin is probably best. I am a US citizen, Armenian heritage. My wife is an East Indian Guyanese citizen. She's used to tropical, Im Ok with it but prefer the 4 seasons and closer to Euro lifestyle.
Main concern really is our daughter 11 years old speaking only Caribbean "English" right now. I've heard the schools are expensive? If we are on residence permits, does that allow her to attend a school for a cheaper price? I know she will have to learn Turkish and that all classes taught in Turkish..... |
Both are nice countries. I worked in KL before and I'm starting a teaching job next month there and for me personally I think KL is cheaper to live in vs Istanbul say. I have only been to turkey to travel and meet up with an ex Turkish gf which meant I investigate living there and a good friend worked there and recommended it. He preferred the Asian side of Istanbul cost wise.
It all comes down to personal taste especially if you can't afford international schools. Malay is easy to learn and in Malaysia maths and science are being taught in English so I was told (well officially supposed to be).
As for your spouse consider her immigration status. Malaysia issues a dependent visa so she can live there, and recently introduced allowed spouses to work or at least fast track changes to the permit if a job is obtained.
Another factor to consider is rascism. Both countries suffer from anti black rascism although I note in KL now an ever increasing African community especially students so less of an issue. I didn't see one black person in turkey while I was there and my ex gf from there let's just say needed some cultural awareness training!
Btw my friend left turkey as his wife (Asian) hated it.
Apart from those things net savings would be my main criteria.
Good luck with the coin toss! |
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Nemodot---I thank you immensely for your caring posts here. I think you have a great point there about the cost of living and the savings, as well as your points about education in English for science and math. I'm glad to hear you think Malay is easy to learn--I had no idea and never tried to learn an Asian language, suspecting they were utterly difficult esp. with the tonal aspects.
Being my wife is Indian, and there are plenty of Indians in Malaysia, I think this would be the heads/tails winner for now anyway. 
Hey maybe we can meet up in KL later in the year! Thanks again Nemodot. |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| gloomyGumi wrote: |
| Nemodot---I thank you immensely for your caring posts here. I think you have a great point there about the cost of living and the savings, as well as your points about education in English for science and math. I'm glad to hear you think Malay is easy to learn--I had no idea and never tried to learn an Asian language, suspecting they were utterly difficult esp. with the tonal aspects. |
Unfortunately, the Malaysian government has switched policy (again) and Maths and Science will be taught in Malay instead of English. Some private schools and former parochial schools (now under the gov't) are going to go against the policy, however, and will be allowed to. Apparently a lot of the rural schools were struggling with the English issue and this policy change is to placate the voters out there who keep UMNO in power. |
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Tiger Beer
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| KayuJati wrote: |
| gloomyGumi wrote: |
| Nemodot---I thank you immensely for your caring posts here. I think you have a great point there about the cost of living and the savings, as well as your points about education in English for science and math. I'm glad to hear you think Malay is easy to learn--I had no idea and never tried to learn an Asian language, suspecting they were utterly difficult esp. with the tonal aspects. |
Unfortunately, the Malaysian government has switched policy (again) and Maths and Science will be taught in Malay instead of English. Some private schools and former parochial schools (now under the gov't) are going to go against the policy, however, and will be allowed to. Apparently a lot of the rural schools were struggling with the English issue and this policy change is to placate the voters out there who keep UMNO in power. |
Sheesh, it seems like they should just allow either Malay or English, than constantly changing and making only one allowed. |
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KayuJati
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Sheesh, it seems like they should just allow either Malay or English, than constantly changing and making only one allowed. |
Apparently they are taking the Middle Path as is their s.o.p. and allowing city schools to continue with English and allowing country schools to shift back to Malay. What is ALWAYS true is that education is the ball in the volleyball of politics. |
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the minister
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: Malaysia |
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Take a look at Chase Medical's advert on TEFL.com
The errer's in spelling, inglish and puntuatsh'n comprise a caricature of modern English mal-use. What has been written is not a test; no one shall ask you at an interview if you spotted the deliberate errors. What has been written lets you know everything you need to know about the kind of organisation you might end up working for (or should I write, "let's you know"?).
The contract seems almost too good to be true. It is.
By the way - Turkey or Malaysia. It's not an unreasonable question for someone who is undecided, but the comparisons aren't really there; the two nations are entirely different worlds. Ultimately, it might be best to go east. Turkey can be recommended because, essentially, it is part of the east and is not suffering from the current problems of the west. There is always work in Turkey, although saving might have to come from money earned through giving private lessons. And the language is beautiful. Malaysia has the appearance of being modern and forward-looking, and its accumulation of wealth is suggestive of opportunities for work for EFL teachers.
Good luck - but don't expect to have too much of it with Chase in Malaysia |
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