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fledex



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:20 pm    Post subject: Education Experts--reputation Reply with quote

OK, let's try to stay on subject and not make personal attacks so that people can stay current on whether there is any change at Edex. Don't get the thread locked.

The history--Edex has signed contracts to place people at Imam Mohammed Univ. in Riyadh, but when the teachers arrived, they were sent to Qassim, and after two years never saw Imam Mohammed Univ. in Riyadh. Some were promised higher salaries for this change, but never received the extra money. Edex has not given many teachers their tickets home or their vacation pay, or they have prorated the vacation pay and sent them home early. They have been late with paying teachers and have historically done it in big wads of cash in smoky hotel rooms. They have booked people from the wrong airports into the country; for example, telling people in Washington state to catch their flight out of Dulles airport in Washington D.C., and then asking the teacher to get there on their own, and trust Edex for the reimbursement. After staying with them two years, I had the sense to flee.

Now--Still having friends that are stuck at Edex for various reason -- usually because they don't hold a passport from a native English speaking country and can't find other jobs -- I am told that teachers still have to go to the company headquarters on occasion to collect their pay, waiting many hours for it on a vacation day. The buses that Edex provides to work or for shopping don't always run on time, and sometime don't come at all. They still move people from one apartment or city to another with less than 24 hours notice. In some cases, teachers still have to share apartments or hotel rooms. Vacations now are unpaid if you leave Saudi Arabia.

So take the reputation for what it is. These are the facts. The management is still the same as it always has been for the past few years. I feel the need to keep people current on Edex, as most people working for them would be hard pressed to say anything against the company if they want to receive their full pay before leaving.
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JerkyBoy



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If their shuttle buses don't run on time, do they still fine you for arriving late to work?
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



Joined: 19 May 2009
Posts: 151
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made the mistake of giving my honest opinion here and was lambasted.

I am on a Iqama and I take the housing allowance. I only have to deal with EdEx about once a month to get paid, and I could set up direct deposit, but I actually like the opportunity to go to the mass pay-outs and see some other teachers and the management. I get paid on time, I am happy with where I teach.


If you're going to be on a visit visa and live at company housing and rely on company transportation you might be singing a different tune. My advice:

Take the housing allowance. Get your own furnished apartment (You can get one for under 2,800, with internet.

Companies like Avis will rent you a car for 2,000 riyals a month. If you have a US drivers license and a credit card you are good to go. You don't need a saudi license if you are on a visit visa.

Your housing allowance I believe is something like 3,500. Alone, yes you will be spending some of your salary, but having a car and your independence is really worth it, in my opinion. And if you find a room mate who also teaches at the same university as you, you can get a two bedroom for a little more and also share the car. (Works best if you are friends), but in that case you are not spending your whole housing allowance.

Just an option.

P.S. When EdEx started out we were staying in the Boudl. A beautiful hotel with free breakfast and room service and free cleaning, fresh towels, the golden age of company housing...
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fledex



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but don't forget the Central Intelligence Department guys who sat in the lounge of the Boudl watching us when we came or went, most of the time following us but never offering a ride. They showed some of us their ankle holstered guns once, and the truck of their car had more high powered stuff. Also, it's nice that you can rent an apartment, but would that be realistic for the many teachers who have been moved to another university with less than 24 hours notice?
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



Joined: 19 May 2009
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Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fledex wrote:
Yeah, but don't forget the Central Intelligence Department guys who sat in the lounge of the Boudl watching us when we came or went, most of the time following us but never offering a ride. They showed some of us their ankle holstered guns once, and the truck of their car had more high powered stuff. Also, it's nice that you can rent an apartment, but would that be realistic for the many teachers who have been moved to another university with less than 24 hours notice?


Are you talking about Riyadh or Qassim?
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fledex



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
fledex wrote:
Yeah, but don't forget the Central Intelligence Department guys who sat in the lounge of the Boudl watching us when we came or went, most of the time following us but never offering a ride. They showed some of us their ankle holstered guns once, and the truck of their car had more high powered stuff. Also, it's nice that you can rent an apartment, but would that be realistic for the many teachers who have been moved to another university with less than 24 hours notice?


Are you talking about Riyadh or Qassim?


Qassim on the CID watch; Riyadh, or anywhere for that matter, on the rental matter. I remember one poor gal in Najran had just started renting a new apartment (probably to get out of the unsafe Edex housing). Then they told her a couple days after she rented it that she would be moving to Riyadh within the next week or two. I found out that Edex management had planned her move for over a month and had hidden it from her, and another English teacher that knew about it kept quiet, leaving her in the lurch. This wasn't an isolated incident. I think it applies to Edex throughout Saudi.
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're renting a place and you have to leave early they will return the difference to you, at least from what I have experienced. I'm sorry you had such a rough time that you're willing to make warning the world of the terrors of EdEx such a passion. I hope you find your dream ESL job in some worry-free utopia where the buses run on time and you teach two hours a day to perfectly mannered students from your own company-rented villa with two hot tubs and a ocean view next to a waterfall and In-and-Out burger. Where majestic rare parrots quietly regal you with quaint rhythms that lull you to sleep on your cashmere hammock as your once-worn clothes are donated to central Africa and the latest fashions are hung up in your walk-in closets by your well paid and overly content maid.
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It's Scary!



Joined: 17 Apr 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope you find your dream ESL job in some worry-free utopia where the buses run on time and you teach two hours a day to perfectly mannered students from your own company-rented villa with two hot tubs and a ocean view next to a waterfall and In-and-Out burger. Where majestic rare parrots quietly regal you with quaint rhythms that lull you to sleep on your cashmere hammock as your once-worn clothes are donated to central Africa and the latest fashions are hung up in your walk-in closets by your well paid and overly content maid.


You're such an obvious EdEx management tool! How in the Hell can you look at your face in the mirror every day. Your blatantly OTT description of a "dream ESL job" sickens the reader! Being paid on time, being given warnings about moves and, basically, just being treated like a human DOES NOT constitute a "dream ESL job"! It constitutes basic human decency!

It's obviously trash-talk to those sorely put upon! And, yes, I do speak English very well!
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
If you're renting a place and you have to leave early they will return the difference to you, at least from what I have experienced.

That makes one.

Good Luck to the rest of you... Laughing Laughing

VS
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ellethom



Joined: 29 Sep 2011
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Location: Wherever I May Roam

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this how opinions are treated here? If we can't agree with the hardline then we are cooperate tools?

Think i have had enough of this site

And, how long did you work there? you seem to have so much first hand knowledge, i am curious about your length of stay.

People make decisions that are good for them, not for anyone else. whether they stand or fall, they are going to get something out of this. You all speak as if there is a danger of imminent death going over there. She works there and enjoys it, big deal. So what? How does that change your day to day life? Do you have so little going on in your own world that coming on an EFL forum and spouting insults is all you have to look forward to?

Sad, really. Because, if there is a dangerous situation over there, and we all really should be concerned, the way you come off, no one is going to listen, just like the President who cried Weapons of Mass Destruction.

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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that It's Scary's accusation is probably excessive, but I think that it isn't surprising considering how we suddenly have one glowingly positive poster amongst so many negatives... a much larger than usual number of negative posters for this employer.

Edex has been jerking its teachers around ever since they appeared here. It is nice to find out that one person is happy, but...

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It's Scary!



Joined: 17 Apr 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is this how opinions are treated here? If we can't agree with the hardline then we are cooperate tools?


First of all, I didn't read an opinion in the post. I read a conditional, followed by a sarcastic apology, followed by a ludicrous suggestion of what constituted a "dream EFL job".

Secondly, I don't understand your second question. Confused

Lastly, If you read closely what I quoted, I was criticising the extent of what a "dream EFL job" might be. Obviously, what the poster described is beyond what anyone ever could imagine.

My conclusion: The poster sounds to me like an employer who's sick and tired of the complaining of employees that s/he feels have been adequately compensated and is striking out.

I stand by my characterization and belief that simple human kindness makes for an efficient and productive workforce. Attempting to squeeze every halala out of every contract and then, being upset over complaints is unreasonable.

P.s. ellethom, I've never criticized anything you have posted. I find it interesting in your rebuke that you use "we". Do you feel that I was addressing you as well when I clearly copied ONLY the content that I found to be insulting by another poster?

P.p.s.- I appreciate the qualifier, VS. I term it as direct, but not to excess.

It's a question mark until a full stop is put to it!
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EnglishDoYouSpeakIt



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would an employer come on this page? EdEx is not struggling for teachers. What would the benefit be? To try to sway opinion of some forum that .001% of ESL teachers frequent?

Why is the only honesty desired from those who want to hate on everything? If this page is designed only for complaining could we make that more clear? Bitter angry thin-skinned people shouldn't seek work in Saudi, that's established, yeah?
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fledex



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
If you're renting a place and you have to leave early they will return the difference to you, at least from what I have experienced. I'm sorry you had such a rough time that you're willing to make warning the world of the terrors of EdEx such a passion. I hope you find your dream ESL job in some worry-free utopia where the buses run on time and you teach two hours a day to perfectly mannered students from your own company-rented villa with two hot tubs and a ocean view next to a waterfall and In-and-Out burger. Where majestic rare parrots quietly regal you with quaint rhythms that lull you to sleep on your cashmere hammock as your once-worn clothes are donated to central Africa and the latest fashions are hung up in your walk-in closets by your well paid and overly content maid.


I suppose this is another attempt to get the thread locked so potential recruits won't learn of the pitfall called Edex. Why don't we just stick to the facts instead of personal attacks? Edex hasn't always paid back the money that is lost. Also, they don't always pay the plane ticket home or vacation pay. They also prorate vacation pay if you leave early, because they can (even if leaving early is their choice). It's scary seems to have pretty much hit the nail on the head. I've worked for other shoddy employers in KSA, but Edex has been the worst I have worked for. My experience is that direct hire is always better.
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It's Scary!



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is the only honesty desired from those who want to hate on everything? If this page is designed only for complaining could we make that more clear? Bitter angry thin-skinned people shouldn't seek work in Saudi, that's established, yeah?


That's it, right there! Callous. Succinct! Saudi job seekers, be fairly warned...he couldn't have said it better than I. That's what EdEx and its ilk think of you!

It's a statement more than word deep!
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