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ton a bricks



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:07 pm    Post subject: Innigration fines... Reply with quote

Is it true that if I overstay my FM 2 30 day period of finishing my previous job and am still looking for another one, I will pay a fine of one minimum wage per day? The INM was reluctant to tell what the fine is, I found in the past. I recall seeing one fine schedule saying that one day or thirty days was the same fine, but online I have found people saying it is accumulated daily... Or is this flexible also, depending on which office one goes to? I would be going to the DF one. Thanks!
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BadBeagleBad



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Innigration fines... Reply with quote

ton a bricks wrote:
Is it true that if I overstay my FM 2 30 day period of finishing my previous job and am still looking for another one, I will pay a fine of one minimum wage per day? The INM was reluctant to tell what the fine is, I found in the past. I recall seeing one fine schedule saying that one day or thirty days was the same fine, but online I have found people saying it is accumulated daily... Or is this flexible also, depending on which office one goes to? I would be going to the DF one. Thanks!


Why not just get an Independent FM 3, then you aren't tied to a job, and don't need to have a job to apply. Having walked a few people through the process I can tell you, at least in DF, it is a pretty easy process.
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Enchilada Potosina



Joined: 03 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Innigration fines... Reply with quote

ton a bricks wrote:
Is it true that if I overstay my FM 2 30 day period of finishing my previous job and am still looking for another one, I will pay a fine of one minimum wage per day? The INM was reluctant to tell what the fine is, I found in the past. I recall seeing one fine schedule saying that one day or thirty days was the same fine, but online I have found people saying it is accumulated daily... Or is this flexible also, depending on which office one goes to? I would be going to the DF one. Thanks!

Should be able to haggle them down a bit if your Spanish is good, at least that's how the SLP one works. It may be completely different in Mexico City though.
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ton a bricks



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Immigration fine... Reply with quote

I did have the independent status before, but I made the mistake of doing my own taxes and spent hours and hours and hours dealing with hacienda. I do intend to have a regular job (once I find one...) so would prefer to avoid the recibos complications. They also asked for the name of my "principal" client last time when I got the independent visa, although I can't remember if they required a letter from them or not. I tend to mentally block out the bureaucratic processes once they are behind me. Is that a symptom of post traumatic stress syndrome?
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one has questioned the premise of your orginal post, but can you post a website where that rule that you're concerned about is published?
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ton a bricks



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Immigration fine... Reply with quote

I saw another link three years ago that I can't find now. Back then I flew out of Mexico and back but got a job a month later. If I had known I could have paid 1700 pesos in fines, I might have stayed. This time before going across the border I want to see if it is cheaper to pay the fine.
I came across the link below that sounds like the one minimum wage per day is true, but then different immigration offices may vary.

http://www.mexconnect.com/cgi-bin/forums/gforum.cgi?post=138383
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the Oaxaca immigration office, there is a per diem fine which I remember being fairly high, but a colleague who had to pay found out that there is also a maximum fine. At that time (this was about 4 years ago) you hit the maximum fine after about 8 days--the the maximum was really that high if you are think of 30 days at the per diem rate.
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Isla Guapa



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: Immigration fine... Reply with quote

ton a bricks wrote:
I did have the independent status before, but I made the mistake of doing my own taxes and spent hours and hours and hours dealing with hacienda. I do intend to have a regular job (once I find one...) so would prefer to avoid the recibos complications. They also asked for the name of my "principal" client last time when I got the independent visa, although I can't remember if they required a letter from them or not. I tend to mentally block out the bureaucratic processes once they are behind me. Is that a symptom of post traumatic stress syndrome?


I advise anyone who wants to work "de manera independiente" to rely on the services of a good accountant. It will save you lots of time and patience. I have a good one that I pay $200 a month, and it's worth every centavo. I'm surprised to hear that "ton a bricks" had to provide the name of his main client to INM when he applied for his visa. Of course, every INM office has slightly different requirements, but in Mexico City this was never asked of me.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ton, I looked at the link you provided and didn't see anything authoritative there: this is a question that is best answered by having the law in front of us.

Maybe someone else will be able to point us to the sections in the immigration law that pertain to this issue which, as I understood your post, is whether you have any right to stay in the country after losing a job, or quitting a job on which your permission to remain in country was based, and what if any "grace" period there may be.

[I'm probably pointing out the obvious, but the OP is making a number of assumptions about the laws governing his stay in Mexico which may be erroneous. He's basing his assumptions on certain posts he's read on the internet. The only way to know for sure where he stands is to see the law, itself.]
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