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kona
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 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:08 am Post subject: DELTA question |
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| If person has a 140 hr in person TEFL cert, and MA TESOL and two years FT experience post MA TESOL, can said person go directly to a DELTA or do they still need to take the CELTA? |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: Re: DELTA question |
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| kona wrote: |
| If person has a 140 hr in person TEFL cert, and MA TESOL and two years FT experience post MA TESOL, can said person go directly to a DELTA or do they still need to take the CELTA? |
With that back ground you can take the DELTA without taking the CELTA (brand name of TESOL cert) first.
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Zero
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Why would a person with that background want DELTA? |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Zero wrote: |
| Why would a person with that background want DELTA? |
Who knows. Professional student perhaps?
With those qualifications he should be teaching the DELTA not taking it.
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: |
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With just two years' teaching experience? Not a chance of being even a CELTA trainer, let alone a DELTA one, regardless of any MA.
The DELTA does not require having a CELTA first for any candidate. I forget what the entry requirements are, but they are online I'm sure. Here's the first item I searched:
http://www.tefl.net/tefl-courses/faq-cambridge-delta.htm
Bear in mind there is a great deal of flexibility in these requirements. For example, not having a first degree may not always militate against you.
Go for it and best of luck. There will still be plenty for you to learn. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
| Zero wrote: |
| Why would a person with that background want DELTA? |
Who knows. Professional student perhaps?
With those qualifications he should be teaching the DELTA not taking it.
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They only have 2 years postgrad exp and an MA. Masters and DELTA are different. It's generally thought of that MAs are more theoretical and the DELTA is more practical. I'd got nearly 10 years exp and still want a DELTA, or rather Trinity Dip. |
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kona
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
| Zero wrote: |
| Why would a person with that background want DELTA? |
Who knows. Professional student perhaps?
With those qualifications he should be teaching the DELTA not taking it.
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They only have 2 years postgrad exp and an MA. Masters and DELTA are different. It's generally thought of that MAs are more theoretical and the DELTA is more practical. I'd got nearly 10 years exp and still want a DELTA, or rather Trinity Dip. |
I'm actually asking just hypothetically. I'm currently working on my MA TESOL and should be done this academic year, and I figure I'll probably go to China or SK for a uni position (or colombia if I get a fulbright scholarship there). However, someday I may wish to work for the british council as they seem to have decent paying jobs in interesting locations, and from my understanding you have to have either the CELTA or DELTA and a chunk of experience to work in a bc... if I go that direction, I figure I'd just go straight for the DELTA... Anyways, thanks for the input everyone! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not altogether sure that a DELTA is needed to work for the BC. And just a few years' experience too. Depends on which Council, as far as I know. Lots of my colleagues did their DELTAs in-house while working with the BC, so there might be that option to explore too.
Best of luck. |
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uh huh
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: DELTA |
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| My understanding is that a CELTA or equivalent certificate (Trinity or SIT TESOL) is generally needed for a BC position. I have a master's in TESOL and nine years experience and was not even considered for some BC jobs. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: DELTA |
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| uh huh wrote: |
| My understanding is that a CELTA or equivalent certificate (Trinity or SIT TESOL) is generally needed for a BC position. I have a master's in TESOL and nine years experience and was not even considered for some BC jobs. |
That doesn't make any sense to me. Why would a certificate you can get in a month be seen as superior to a Master's in TESOL, which can take at least a year of full-time study to complete? |
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uh huh
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: DELTA |
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| My understanding is that a CELTA is considered more standardized. Also, as Nature Girl pointed out, a master's can be more theoretical than practical. In my master's program, although I was a TA for two semesters, I was never observed. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: DELTA |
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| uh huh wrote: |
| My understanding is that a CELTA is considered more standardized. Also, as Nature Girl pointed out, a master's can be more theoretical than practical. In my master's program, although I was a TA for two semesters, I was never observed. |
I would hope that most Master's degree programs would include some sort of teaching experience in the curriculum - after all, it is a teaching degree. (Imagine someone in medical school who was let loose on the patients without any supervision!) When I got my B.S.ed. in Spanish, I did an entire semester of student teaching and was supervised and regularly observed. It's hard to believe that, as a TA, no one ever came to see what you were doing. Maybe they thought that if there were no student complaints, you were doing a good job  . |
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Sashadroogie
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| The BC has many criteria, which they apply as they see fit, or not. It may be that a particular MA wasn't deemed good enough, possibly for the reasons mentioned above, i.e. no practical component. Or it could have been something else entirely, unrelated to qualifications. |
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uh huh
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| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:27 am Post subject: DELTA |
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| I didn't apply. The ad clearly stated that if one did not have a CELTA or equivalent, there was no point in applying. All the BC and IH ads I have seen are clear about this. |
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kona
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:37 am Post subject: Re: DELTA |
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| uh huh wrote: |
| I didn't apply. The ad clearly stated that if one did not have a CELTA or equivalent, there was no point in applying. All the BC and IH ads I have seen are clear about this. |
I was also under the impression that BC wants SOME kind of cambridge qualification for their workers, but I'm wondering if they make exceptions for people that have good quals and experience (but no CELTA) who will be, ideally, pursuing a DELTA during their work contract, or if its better to just try and apply to a DELTA program and earn a diploma first and then seek out the positions afterwards. Hopefully, a BC would atleast do the latter pending some sort of entrance exam or observed class...
Who knows, it might be more trouble than its worth, although it does sound cool to make decent money while working in fledgling esl markets like maputo or vientiane... |
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