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cgage
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 Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject: "The Truth" continued |
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I would like to continue the earlier thread and try to avoid a lockdown although I don't know much about forum rules yet.
The OP pointed out difficulties in Mexico. At my of age 61, Murphy's Law is no surprise in anything.
My question is this. Ok so its hard for non-degree young people to gain good pay. Is it so for those with masters degrees (non-related subject), US ESL teachers licenses from graduate programs, and years of ESl experiance and knowledge of the Spanish language?
Or is it the trash bin for them too?
If I come to Mex, I will have to sell my car and everything I own and walk out on my lease.. I dont want to bet on a losing horse. Been there. Done that.
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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Starting a new thread on the same topic as a previously locked thread is ordinarily not permitted without prior permission of the Mod Team.
In this particular instance, this thread will be left unlocked so that the OP's question(s) can be answered.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=616258#616258 |
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cgage
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks. I wasn't sure about the rules. |
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MotherF
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: "The Truth" continued |
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| cgage wrote: |
I would like to continue the earlier thread and try to avoid a lockdown although I don't know much about forum rules yet.
The OP pointed out difficulties in Mexico. At my of age 61, Murphy's Law is no surprise in anything.
My question is this. Ok so its hard for non-degree young people to gain good pay. Is it so for those with masters degrees (non-related subject), US ESL teachers licenses from graduate programs, and years of ESl experiance and knowledge of the Spanish language?
Or is it the trash bin for them too?
If I come to Mex, I will have to sell my car and everything I own and walk out on my lease.. I dont want to bet on a losing horse. Been there. Done that.
Thanks
cgage |
Leaving your life behind is always a gamble--it doesn't matter how well qualified you are or how well laid your plans are. Some people are gamblers, some people are not. Of course we all want to bet on a sure thing, but there are few guarantees in life.
Having said that, IMHO, a liscensed US teacher with years of experience in ESL and knowledge of the Spanish language will likely do well in Mexico. |
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Guy Courchesne
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Ditto MotherF...
Age isn't usually a major concern in Mexico but it may limit your options a bit. Given what you've written, I think it may be hard to lock up a position before you come down (though that's common for everyone). You'll probably want to have made as many email and phone contacts as possible before selling the car and ditching the lease, but even then, you're not going to get guarantees until you're in person in Mexico.
As for the 'trash bin', no, you can do well on earnings with your background. |
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cgage
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Thanks, my present teaching contract ends in about six months with no gaurentee of renewal or options whatsoever. Teachers in the US are losing all concept of tenure and unions are worse than useless ( they charge you for doing nothing). [I hope I've not gone against posting policies. Its actually a fact that tenure is on the table for being eliminated and its a fact that certain unions have lost the power of collective bargaining].
I'm only trying to make the point that ESL teachers in the US may need to consider options given the edu/political climate.
(edu/political -sounds Orwellian)
Life used to be so easy. -Crosby Stills and Nash |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:36 am Post subject: Re: "The Truth" continued |
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| ...At my of age 61... its hard for non-degree young people to gain good pay.... Is it so for those with masters degrees (non-related subject), US ESL teachers licenses from graduate programs, and years of ESl experiance and knowledge of the Spanish language... If I come to Mex, I will have to sell my car and everything I own and walk out on my lease.. |
I hope you don't mind if I've captured what I think are your key issues.
I personally have not seen age being a problem securing work here in Mexico... I'll be 58 this year and have been working in Mexico for 8+ years.
What I see as being more of an issue is your own personal expectations. Your credentials are impressive, but may not bring you, here in Mexico, the financial rewards, nor the elite position you (may believe you) are 'entitled to'... perhaps based on similar expectations elsewhere.
So, ask yourself... What do I want? What is it I'm looking for? And a squillion other questions...
And as you search this forum for answers, and digest everyone's responses to your questions, never forget, one man's poison, is another man's pleasure...
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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Tretyakovskii
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:09 am Post subject: Age factor |
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| Thanks, my present teaching contract ends in about six months with no gaurentee of renewal or options whatsoever. |
Definitely sounds like time to be looking for other options. Mexico is one, but it could be hard to break in. China seems to be a place where many older, qualified teachers are finding work, and may present less of a hurdle in getting on board, but it's a long ride from here....
I have no idea who among the posters has the record as "oldest active teacher" in Mexico. I'll be 65 next month and am still working full time, but am perhaps the oldest teacher at my university. |
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Tretyakovskii
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Ok so its hard for non-degree young people to gain good pay. Is it so for those with masters degrees (non-related subject), US ESL teachers licenses from graduate programs, and years of ESl experiance and knowledge of the Spanish language? Or is it the trash bin for them too? |
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| do you think it will be hard for me to get a biz english job in a uni in general and specifically given my age? what time of year is best to hunt it down? January? Is it hard for English teachers to get enough hours to lie on at unis? |
There have been a number of good threads on this subject, but I'll comment with my impressions....
Full time university jobs are plums coveted by Mexican professors and teachers of English. Getting hired for one means having attractive qualifications and experience, coupled with a great deal of good luck- timing, mainly, and perhaps time, as well. (It took me a year on the ground, and working part time for them for much of that, to get on full time with a university.)
Best time to start, for next semester, is right now, without delay, by identifying universities you would find attractive and starting to communicate with them about your interest- with emails, letters, Skype, etc.
Do all you can to get to know the head of a department you'd like to work in, and open a line of communication with them, as soon as possible. Later, you can follow it up with a series of personal visits to the department. (Although someone may occasionally get hired from afar, and without developing the relationship I'm talking about, I expect it's much more commonplace for the hiring process to work in the way I've described, and to take time. Both of the good teaching opportunities I've had in Mexico required considerable legwork to develop to fruition.)
They must have a felt need for you and what you have to offer: perhaps even more important, they must think you are a kind person and that they would like working with you.
Part time jobs are easier to get; but no, you can't live on them unless the department masses hours for you, something they are not really very likely to do- because that also is a "plum", and takes time to get. |
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