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abigolblackman



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:39 am    Post subject: Wall Street English Reply with quote

Could someone provide me with a contact email for HR at Wall Street English? I can't find any contact info. Online. Thanks.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A former colleague went to work for them in Shanghai but he hasn't returned my latest email yet. Try a search for "@pearson.com", "shanghai" and "Wall Street"
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abigolblackman



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks LongShiKong.
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Harpoon



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LongShiKong wrote:
A former colleague went to work for them in Shanghai but he hasn't returned my latest email yet. Try a search for "@pearson.com", "shanghai" and "Wall Street"


Probably because he's working like a slave. Your soul is included when you sign a contract with Wall Street.
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Gtomas



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Wallstreet that bad? They have a reputation for being organized and well run in Shenzhen and I was thinking of eventually looking for a job with them. Long hours or such?
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although they do ask you to work long hours, Ive always had the impression they are good. Probably the only place I would like to work in China, outside my current employer.

I do think they expect you to know you shizz though. I have a colleague now who has an MA in Education, but he actually doesnt know sh*t about EFL...IPA - nope, Grammar - nope. The students like him a lot....but he was refused at Wall Street because he doesnt know jack about a lot of TEFL stuff. At the moment I do work a light workload, but the non-tefl types mess it up for the serious teachers here...so places like Wall Street hold some appeal to me.
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Mr.Engrish



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denim-Maniac wrote:
Although they do ask you to work long hours, Ive always had the impression they are good. Probably the only place I would like to work in China, outside my current employer.

I do think they expect you to know you shizz though. I have a colleague now who has an MA in Education, but he actually doesnt know sh*t about EFL...IPA - nope, Grammar - nope. The students like him a lot....but he was refused at Wall Street because he doesnt know jack about a lot of TEFL stuff. At the moment I do work a light workload, but the non-tefl types mess it up for the serious teachers here...so places like Wall Street hold some appeal to me.


I'm curious, what do you consider light?
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Opiate



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious teachers at Wall Street? Doesn't Wall Street hand you lesson plans and materials which you must adhere to? Or is that perhaps a different school?
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therock



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wall Street is like all language schools, all they care is about profit. However at least they pay a decent wage.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Mr Engrish - I teach 10 x 90 minute classes a week, no evenings or weekends. Its not the lightest of schedules compared to some, but I think its a pretty good one for a training school teaching adults.

@ Opiate - Yes, I do believe they give all materials and ask you to adhere to them. That's serious teaching in my book. It would suggest there is a set syllabus to follow which should include skills, target language etc etc. The 'free' materials system which so many places follow is the bane of my life TBH. Students who accept a set syllabus are more likely to want to learn IMO. Free material isnt the way ahead (for me). People I work with use a lot of free material and it tends to make my job harder as students fail to get the difference between interesting and useful sometimes.
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Gtomas



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denim-Maniac wrote:
@ Mr Engrish - I teach 10 x 90 minute classes a week, no evenings or weekends. Its not the lightest of schedules compared to some, but I think its a pretty good one for a training school teaching adults.

@ Opiate - Yes, I do believe they give all materials and ask you to adhere to them. That's serious teaching in my book. It would suggest there is a set syllabus to follow which should include skills, target language etc etc. The 'free' materials system which so many places follow is the bane of my life TBH. Students who accept a set syllabus are more likely to want to learn IMO. Free material isnt the way ahead (for me). People I work with use a lot of free material and it tends to make my job harder as students fail to get the difference between interesting and useful sometimes.


Isn't engaging the students with lessons designed for them the best way? Or no.

I understand what you mean about falling into the black whole of teaching interesting instead of useful, but I don't know if WallStreet has tracked down all the useful English.

Are there any 23 hour teaching weeks with them?
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a difficult one I think. Designing material, maybe I just dont have the right skill set to do so effectively. Generally speaking though, I would say there isnt a language point or skill set that exists that hasnt already been taught 1000 times from a book. The topic isnt important really, the skill or language point being learned is.

I prefer to teach that point or skill set from a tried and tested source, and I feel my part is to take that material, and tailor it to my students, my environment and my classroom. I still plan 'how to teach', but spend far less time on the 'what to teach' part.

I have a complete set of Face2Face textbooks and I try to use them as much as possible but I do sometimes face resistance because I have to compete with free material teaching. Yes, I accept the 'transgender marriage' is interesting, but what do students actually learn? (we have a lot of these wacky materials floating around my place!)

I only know Wall Street by reputation, and have one ex co-worker who is a receptionist for them...but I believe they tend to work more along the lines of a syllabus which would suggest to me they focus more on the useful than the 'interesting'.
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isitts



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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opiate wrote:
Serious teachers at Wall Street? Doesn't Wall Street hand you lesson plans and materials which you must adhere to? Or is that perhaps a different school?


Think that was EF or DD Dragon.
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TechTeacher



Joined: 07 Feb 2012
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denim-Maniac wrote:
Although they do ask you to work long hours, Ive always had the impression they are good. Probably the only place I would like to work in China, outside my current employer.

I do think they expect you to know you shizz though. I have a colleague now who has an MA in Education, but he actually doesnt know sh*t about EFL...IPA - nope, Grammar - nope. The students like him a lot....but he was refused at Wall Street because he doesnt know jack about a lot of TEFL stuff. At the moment I do work a light workload, but the non-tefl types mess it up for the serious teachers here...so places like Wall Street hold some appeal to me.


TEFL one month Certificate "teachers"... are more serious and qualified than those that have Master Degree in Education...???
Thats like saying having a High School diploma is better than a University degree...
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TechTeacher wrote:

TEFL one month Certificate "teachers"... are more serious and qualified than those that have Master Degree in Education...???
Thats like saying having a High School diploma is better than a University degree...


My experience suggests this would be true. Ive worked with MA holders and home country certified teachers. One US qualified state school teacher has just recently finished her 6th or 7th contract at my employer and has zero knowledge of common EFL methodology, zero knowledge of English grammar, and when she saw a task I had written using IPA, asked me what language it was.

The MA Ed teacher I mentioned in my previous post is back working with me. Like I said, nice guy and popular, but his teaching method consists of copying a newspaper article from the internet and translating it with students, and his advice regarding grammar is 'just ignore it, its not important'.

Both of those teachers are very well qualified, and in the first example, extremely experienced teachers of English and history to American high schoolers whose first language is English, but extremely unknowledgeable about common methods of EFL. Some methodology and classroom management techniques are different, as is the skill set. Id stand by my earlier comment. Are they better qualified than a CELTA / DELTA holder...of course they are. Are they better qualified for the specific task of teaching English to non-native speakers of English...if their qualifications arent relevant to that, then I would say no.

Does holding a phd in conservation mean I can teach comparative and superlative forms to low intermediate students, no. Having a CELTA means I might be more likely to understand the structures and know how to grade my speech to explain.

This is often discussed with some long term members of the general and newbie forums who often state a similar viewpoint based on their experience of teaching in other contexts. Teaching content in L1 is often quite different from teaching L2 using their own L1.
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