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Grendal
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 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: Direct Hire or Through Contractor? That is the question. |
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Given the pros and cons of either, I think it would be a good post to debate this issue. Although it may have been covered in previuos posts lets put some new fresh ideas on the table.
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1. Contractor is a good outfit and has good relations with university. Translated that means it wins the contract three weeks before semester starts. Which should be fine for a seasoned contractor with a fairly efficient administration staff that is primarily bilingual.
2. University offers a good package if you have a family and a gazillion kids. The best in KSA I've heard. OK. Granted, good for families but what about the single teacher?
3. Even if the base salary were increased above what government regulations permit that wouldn't even match the salary of a teacher that works through a contractor.
That's just scratching the surface in my opinion.
Regards to all.
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desert_traveller
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PattyFlipper
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| desert_traveller wrote: |
| i think the original question can only be answered meaningfully on a case to case basis. i, for one, am inclined towards direct hire. your point about family men vs backpackers is a very important one i think |
Backpackers? So anyone who is unmarried is a backpacker?
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desert_traveller
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PattyFlipper
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank Allah that I gave up TEFLing some considerable time ago, which fortunately means that my exposure to some of the more tedious, juvenile, and sociopathic practitioners of it has been substantially reduced. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| desert_traveller wrote: |
as we all know, 'e' and 'y' are 3 buttons away from each other on the keyboard - it wasn't a typo, i'm afraid. i rest my case
TOO LATE BACKPACKER TO EDIT YOUR POST
TOOO LAAAAATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Now this was a completely uncalled for and childish attack for what most certainly could have been a "typo" - which covers a lot of ground. If you knew anything about touch typing, you would know that keyboarding errors are not only based on location of the keys, but on brain farts. (my original degree had a double major in business and English education, so I was a certifiable typing teacher - brain farts being a technical term)
Your case is not only "not rested," it is time for an apology. I'd say that this "typo" is most likely a lack of proofreading... something that we are all guilty of now and again on this board.
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johnslat
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dear desert_traveller,
You ain't got no case to rest - and PattyFlipper's point was valid.
Regards,
John
P.S. You can correct my grammar if it makes you feel any better  .
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cmp45
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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desert_traveller has clearly been called out on using the word "backpacker' when he/she? could have as easily used "single' as stated in the OP's post which seems to have ruffled a few feathers. i know there is some negative connotation these days attached to the term 'backpacker' so can understand the response using the word within this particular context.
What I find funny is when someone has no legitimate or reasonable response, the easiet way to retaliate is by attacking the person's typing errors. I supose most of us have done it at one time or other...ah in the end desert_ traveller did add a 'wink' after all his twisted evil emoticons which suggests that it wasn't meant to be taken all too seriously... but I'd have to agree it was a childish response...  but ...to each his/ her own style. |
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Grendal
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Mmmmmmm Mmm M Mmmm
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CamTam
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Back to the original questions ... Yes, it would be great if we could all be direct hires. Only so very few of us get to be in that position. I am trying to get out of being an employee of an agency and recently interviewed for a position in the UAE as KSA tends toward using middlemen for its teachers.
As for the immaturity, lots of people with uh... issues show up on these threads. Some of it is actually entertaining. |
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JimJonesSic
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Direct Hire or Through Contractor? That is the question |
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| Grendal wrote: |
Given the pros and cons of either, I think it would be a good post to debate this issue. Although it may have been covered in previuos posts lets put some new fresh ideas on the table.
e.g.
1. Contractor is a good outfit and has good relations with university. Translated that means it wins the contract three weeks before semester starts. Which should be fine for a seasoned contractor with a fairly efficient administration staff that is primarily bilingual.
2. University offers a good package if you have a family and a gazillion kids. The best in KSA I've heard. OK. Granted, good for families but what about the single teacher?
3. Even if the base salary were increased above what government regulations permit that wouldn't even match the salary of a teacher that works through a contractor.
That's just scratching the surface in my opinion.
Regards to all.
Grendal |
Is that a particular university you are referring to with regards to families or direct hires from universities in general? |
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Grendal
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Direct Hire or Through Contractor? That is the question |
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Is that a particular university you are referring to with regards to families or direct hires from universities in general?[/quote]
It can be for unis in general and also for the one I'm at.
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rainbowprof
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Direct Hire or Through Contractor? That is the question |
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| Grendal wrote: |
Given the pros and cons of either, I think it would be a good post to debate this issue. Although it may have been covered in previuos posts lets put some new fresh ideas on the table.
e.g.
1. Contractor is a good outfit and has good relations with university. Translated that means it wins the contract three weeks before semester starts. Which should be fine for a seasoned contractor with a fairly efficient administration staff that is primarily bilingual.
2. University offers a good package if you have a family and a gazillion kids. The best in KSA I've heard. OK. Granted, good for families but what about the single teacher?
3. Even if the base salary were increased above what government regulations permit that wouldn't even match the salary of a teacher that works through a contractor.
That's just scratching the surface in my opinion.
Regards to all.
Grendal |
Food for thought, Grendal. And more informative than some petty bickering that can cloud otherwise worthwhile posts. |
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RobertinOman
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| If you visit the How long to wait for a visa for working in Saudi? thread, you will find that there are no guarantees in the kingdom. |
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rainbowprof
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| RobertinOman wrote: |
| If you visit the How long to wait for a visa for working in Saudi? thread, you will find that there are no guarantees in the kingdom. |
That sentiment is expressed in more than one thread... |
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