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musaafira
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 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: The Race Issue..... |
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Hi all,
I didn't want to ask this but some things led me to asking it anyway. This has been bugging me for a long time. Many people think that ESL jobs are only attained by Caucasians... Meaning, if you have the same qualifications, have the same accent, same passport, same everything, except for the fact that you are not white (you are East or South Asian for example), then you won't get anything and ESL ain't for you.
Please share your stories to show the world that this is false. I myself don't have much to share since I haven't worked in the ME yet... |
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fledex
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| My experience in ME is that you might actually be treated better if you are of African descent. Certainly better than in Europe or North America. |
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veiledsentiments
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Did you mean to ask this on the Saudi branch? Or are you asking about the Gulf in general? or the Middle East in general? I assume that this is on the wrong branch since you are posting on other branches.
Everywhere that I have worked there were both non-native speakers and native speaker non "Caucasians" teaching EFL.
Hiring is done based on your education, experience, and interview at the best of the employers... and too many of the worst of them hire anyone that can manage to apply.
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johnslat
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Dear musaafira,
In Saudi, I had numerous "non-Caucasian" colleagues. Some were from Arab countries, others were from Africa, and I also had an Iranian and a black American colleague.
Regards,
John |
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JerkyBoy
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| A black American colleague. |
He wasn't any relation to Apollo Creed, was he? |
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desert_traveller
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: Re: The Race Issue..... |
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| musaafira wrote: |
| Please share your stories to show the world that this is false. |
why? because you want the world to think that it is false? perhaps because you know it very well what everybody knows who has every spent a day in saudi arabia that it is unfortunately true? on what basis can you claim that it is false (and invite others to support you) when you yourself admit that you have never been to the middle east?
sad as it may be, there is a hell of a lot of discrimination, both positive and negative, going on in the gulf and in saudi arabia - racial, religious, sexual, you name it. in fact their whole socio-economic system is based on discrimination. you remove discrimination and the whole system collapses in no time. therefore discrimination is not likely to be removed from the system in the foreseeable future imho |
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musaafira
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: The Race Issue..... |
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| desert_traveller wrote: |
why? because you want the world to think that it is false? |
No because it is false, as proven by the statements above from some of our forum members who responded. I wasn't talking about the discrimination, I know very well about that portion, having spent more than 10 years in the UAE... (not teaching). My intention was just to open a thread in which people would share their experiences and mention that they worked with/saw non-Caucasians teaching ESL as well as a means of encouragement and positiveness, since some people discourage non-Caucasians from getting involved in this field despite their love for it and qualities to do so. That is all. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: The Race Issue..... |
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| musaafira wrote: |
| My intention was just to open a thread in which people would share their experiences and mention that they worked with/saw non-Caucasians teaching ESL as well as a means of encouragement and positiveness, since some people discourage non-Caucasians from getting involved in this field despite their love for it and qualities to do so. That is all. |
Your thread would have received more exposure and possibly more diverse responses if you had posted it on the general forum. But I'm curious, you stated: "...some people discourage non-Caucasians from getting involved in this field despite their love for it and qualities to do so." Exactly who are these people? I ask because there are naysayers in every life/work situation. In fact, this also could have been about gender as in, "Don't go to KSA, they treat all women like second-class citizens." But women stilll go and... |
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Grendal
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Location: Lurking in the depths of the Faisaliah Tower underground parking.
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear musaafira,
In Saudi, I had numerous "non-Caucasian" colleagues. Some were from Arab countries, others were from Africa, and I also had an Iranian and a black American colleague.
Regards,
John |
Hi John.
What's up?
You can don your Obama avatar again and show em all about racism.
Regards.
Grendal |
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CamTam
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| I am, uh, clearly not white ... if you were to see | |
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