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JoeThePlumber
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 Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: Anyone Seen This Before? |
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A university in Beijing sent me a proposed contract. Salary terms of 6000RMB per month (too low), provided apartment with the usual accomodations (okay) AND a requirement that the foreign teacher PAY the university 1000RMB as "bailment" at the start of the three month probationary period to be returned at the completion of said probationary period.
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Miles Smiles
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I've heard of such terms, but I've never seen them in a contract.
Give this one a big miss. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Sad thing is... some jobless shmuck will sign it and be proud of their new job in Beijing. |
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: |
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So in essence, one would be making 5000RMB per month for those first three months. Is there a guarantee that one would really get that 3000RMB back?
Bailment???
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therock
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Funny thing, I was just about to create a topic similiar to this. I have recently met two foreign teachers who work at different schools and they have told me similar stories.
Both teachers told me their schools have a policy of taking the expenses for the invitation letter and work permit (the two documents you need to apply for the Z visa) which cost around 3000rmb out of their teacher's first salary. One school will refund after probation and another school will refund after the contract is completed.
I have never heard of this happening before. Both teachers have been in China only for a few months and they both work at private training centers. Is this more common than I think?? |
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hippocampus
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Bailment? It means a security deposit in case you bail out on them?  That would be my guess. |
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Javelin of Radiance
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| therock wrote: |
Funny thing, I was just about to create a topic similiar to this. I have recently met two foreign teachers who work at different schools and they have told me similar stories.
Both teachers told me their schools have a policy of taking the expenses for the invitation letter and work permit (the two documents you need to apply for the Z visa) which cost around 3000rmb out of their teacher's first salary. One school will refund after probation and another school will refund after the contract is completed.
I have never heard of this happening before. Both teachers have been in China only for a few months and they both work at private training centers. Is this more common than I think?? |
Well we have a recent thread where a teacher accepted one job, got the invitation letter and work permit from that school then decided there's another job he likes better. It's likely that the schools taking the money for the visa paperwork from the first salary and returning it later have been similarly burned in the past. |
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JoeThePlumber
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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This is the language from the contract:
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2. Probation Period
For those who are signing a contract with Party A for the first time there is a probation period of 3 months in which his/her teaching will be evaluated and his/her health will be considered. When the probation period ends, Party A shall have the right to decide whether to continue or terminate the contract according to the results of the evaluation, Party B�s health condition, and whether or not Party B abides by the laws and regulations of China and the university. If Party B is already in China at the time of signing the contract, he/she will be required to pay a credit bail of RMB 1,000 yuan while signing the contract with Party A, which will be returned to Party B at the end of the three-month probation period.
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therock
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| therock wrote: |
Funny thing, I was just about to create a topic similiar to this. I have recently met two foreign teachers who work at different schools and they have told me similar stories.
Both teachers told me their schools have a policy of taking the expenses for the invitation letter and work permit (the two documents you need to apply for the Z visa) which cost around 3000rmb out of their teacher's first salary. One school will refund after probation and another school will refund after the contract is completed.
I have never heard of this happening before. Both teachers have been in China only for a few months and they both work at private training centers. Is this more common than I think?? |
Well we have a recent thread where a teacher accepted one job, got the invitation letter and work permit from that school then decided there's another job he likes better. It's likely that the schools taking the money for the visa paperwork from the first salary and returning it later have been similarly burned in the past. |
This just proves the school can only attract unprofessional candidates. |
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Ariadne
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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That contract states that the school can dump the teacher if they aren't happy with him/her after the 3 months of probation. Does the teacher have the same option?
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Javelin of Radiance
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| therock wrote: |
| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| therock wrote: |
Funny thing, I was just about to create a topic similiar to this. I have recently met two foreign teachers who work at different schools and they have told me similar stories.
Both teachers told me their schools have a policy of taking the expenses for the invitation letter and work permit (the two documents you need to apply for the Z visa) which cost around 3000rmb out of their teacher's first salary. One school will refund after probation and another school will refund after the contract is completed.
I have never heard of this happening before. Both teachers have been in China only for a few months and they both work at private training centers. Is this more common than I think?? |
Well we have a recent thread where a teacher accepted one job, got the invitation letter and work permit from that school then decided there's another job he likes better. It's likely that the schools taking the money for the visa paperwork from the first salary and returning it later have been similarly burned in the past. |
This just proves the school can only attract unprofessional candidates. |
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion, nor do I care. I merely pointed out a plausible reason why a school would take the fees up front and then reimburse later. As with any job opening people are free to look elsewhere if they don't like the conditions. |
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therock
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| therock wrote: |
| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| therock wrote: |
Funny thing, I was just about to create a topic similiar to this. I have recently met two foreign teachers who work at different schools and they have told me similar stories.
Both teachers told me their schools have a policy of taking the expenses for the invitation letter and work permit (the two documents you need to apply for the Z visa) which cost around 3000rmb out of their teacher's first salary. One school will refund after probation and another school will refund after the contract is completed.
I have never heard of this happening before. Both teachers have been in China only for a few months and they both work at private training centers. Is this more common than I think?? |
Well we have a recent thread where a teacher accepted one job, got the invitation letter and work permit from that school then decided there's another job he likes better. It's likely that the schools taking the money for the visa paperwork from the first salary and returning it later have been similarly burned in the past. |
This just proves the school can only attract unprofessional candidates. |
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion, nor do I care. I merely pointed out a plausible reason why a school would take the fees up front and then reimburse later. As with any job opening people are free to look elsewhere if they don't like the conditions. |
So is this professional to ask the teacher to pay for the expenses or some kind of deposit and then refund them later? No it's not, it's so the employer has power over the teacher. You might accept this kind of clause or condition, good for you, but for us who have a little bit of pride in ourselves, no thanks. |
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The Edge
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| Sad thing is... some jobless shmuck will sign it and be proud of their new job in Beijing. |
This. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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much of that contract stuff is leftover boilerplate garbage.
it's only there because it's always been there. noone knows why.
if you're happy with the rest of the terms, why not ask them
to remove that clause. |
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