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Which states don't require me to go home for the Z visa?
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Andros



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:42 am    Post subject: Which states don't require me to go home for the Z visa? Reply with quote

Hey guys.

I am looking to work at a uni in China, however I am not currently living in my home country and I do not wish to return there for just a visa. I am noticing some states require me to go home for the Z visa, whilst others do not. Where can I find a list of states that show which states allow me to get the visa in another country and which do not?

Thanks in advance!
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Provinces, not states. If you're interested in a position, ask them if you can get the Z visa at the nearest Chinese Embassy; the local embassy (wherever you're at) will know as well. The invitation letter MUST state the embassy location where you'll be applying.

You'll probably have to go to the embassy to find out. Getting any information anywhere from any embassy via phone or e-mail is damn near impossible.
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therock



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard question, probably the best answer is depends on the school. It's very similiar to 4 or 5 years ago when some provinces could change your L visa to a residence permit in country. Going by this example, I think it would be safe to assume in a few years time all foreigners will need to apply for a Z visa in their home country.
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Andros



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about using states! Will use provinces from now on.

They certainly like to complicate things. When searching for jobs, it seems to be a bit of hope and miss finding a uni that doesn't require me to go home.

Thanks for the information.
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leandrachair



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not the policy to get things in your home country. Of course, that is the usual action by the issuing authority. However, the fact is, you can obtain your visa in the country indicated on the visa issuance form. That need not be the same as your home country. It is up to you to discuss the issue with your employer prior to obtaining the visa issuance form. Indicate to them which country you want to obtain the visa. Otherwise, follow the laws of China and get the visa in your home country, if that's what is indicated on your visa issuance form.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not just the states/provinces that can cause you trouble.

you also have to consider each embassy/consulate appear to have
their own way of enforcing the rules.

in some countries, you'll be able to get a z-visa if you have a tourist
visa to that country.

in others, you must be in country with a residence permit, long
term on a work or study visa.

in still others, it's not possible at all.

and the rules may change depending on your passport, and the
current political situation.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leandrachair wrote:
It is not the policy to get things in your home country. Of course, that is the usual action by the issuing authority. However, the fact is, you can obtain your visa in the country indicated on the visa issuance form. That need not be the same as your home country. It is up to you to discuss the issue with your employer prior to obtaining the visa issuance form. Indicate to them which country you want to obtain the visa. Otherwise, follow the laws of China and get the visa in your home country, if that's what is indicated on your visa issuance form.


Try telling an FAO that.
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therock



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leandrachair wrote:
. Otherwise, follow the laws of China and get the visa in your home country, if that's what is indicated on your visa issuance form.


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Yeah right! So if a school is offering 4000rmb a month, it'll cost 3 months salary just to get the visa. The only effect this will have is less foreign teachers working at public schools and private training schools hiring more peoplee on the wrong visa.

A truly f@#ked up policy and rule!
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Andros



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just asked a recruiter about this kind of thing. Her reply was that some provinces have the rule about returning home, however some universities have a good relationship with the Bureau of Foreign Expert Affairs (whatever that is!) However it is impossible in Guangdong. She said when they input your pasport number into the system, it automatically fills in the country on the forms. Shame, the exact place I was looking to go.....
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Andros



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And yet another agent that agrees with what you guys are saying above.

It seems to create confusion with the recruiters as well. Some recruiters wont bother trying some provinces, while others will check with the uni.
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Ariadne



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skip the recruiters and contact the universities directly.

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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andros wrote:
She said when they input your pasport number into the system, it automatically fills in the country on the forms. Shame, the exact place I was looking to go.....


Sounds completely true. The (in)efficiency of one office at bat with the (in)efficiency of the other. Without decent connections no one will bother writing in the code. They (the gov.) could blank it out and write it by hand, but who would believe that nowadays. People could also complain about the retarded programmer who did it, but he is probably "connected."

It is possible to go to HK, but the school would have to work it out.
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therock



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:


It is possible to go to HK, but the school would have to work it out.


Not in some provinces! For example Guangdong is quite strict, you have zero chance of getting a Z visa in HK or a third country (unless you have residency in that country).
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Andros



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about this:

What if we try to get information for each province. If somebody has experience getting the z visa in a different country to their home country, and they post it here, we can get a list of provinces that it is possible (not necessarily guaranteed) to do it. If we get enough information, I could change the OP to show the details. That could make it easier for future teachers to choose a location.

Just to be selfish, any experience getting the z visa for Hainan, Guangxi or Fujian?
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Opiate



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andros wrote:
How about this:

What if we try to get information for each province. If somebody has experience getting the z visa in a different country to their home country, and they post it here, we can get a list of provinces that it is possible (not necessarily guaranteed) to do it. If we get enough information, I could change the OP to show the details. That could make it easier for future teachers to choose a location.

Just to be selfish, any experience getting the z visa for Hainan, Guangxi or Fujian?


Too many variables. Far too many. Any list will be unreliable.
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