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timothypfox
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: How to avoid the "English lesson" dinner with a &q |
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I have a good personal support system in Japan with a few good colleagues I consider friends, my wife and her family, and a yoga class I go to once a week.
There is one man in the yoga class, so I thought this was a chance for me to make a friend because we have similar interests - namely yoga. So, after several weeks of not getting around to making a plan - we finally nailed down a plan for dinner. We had been communicating in a mixed English / Japanese as my Japanese is not good enough to have a smooth or deep conversation with people.
We went out to dinner and talked very pleasantly, but he began asking me continuous questions about English - and very soon I realized this was really more of an English lesson than a social evening out. While I enjoyed the evening generally (we have a friendly friends feeling between each other), he offered to pay for everything calling the evening great English lesson. I felt a little bit disappointed. Even though I will probably go out again with him (not much to do in a small town), I don't want to meet him very often because I felt pretty tired after the evening and I don't have that much free time off from work.
Any ideas about how I might avoid being "too nice" and steering clear of an "English lesson" dinner with a "friend"? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Just drop hints like, "I am glad when I don't have to talk about my job all the time. Having friends just to be friends is great. Doctors hate giving free medical advice, too." |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: Re: How to avoid the "English lesson" dinner with |
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timothypfox wrote: |
Any ideas about how I might avoid being "too nice" and steering clear of an "English lesson" dinner with a "friend"? |
Say you have to study Japanese (and actually study). |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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I'd love to stay and talk, but I need to go home and fuck my wife right now. We're trying for a baby, you see, and this is her moment of peak fertility. |
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timothypfox
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 492
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys! You've given me something to smile about after venting a little!  |
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kathrynoh
Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 64
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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What does he do for a living? Maybe you should try to scam freebies off him too. Or if you want to be more subtle start the dinner by saying you are tired from teaching all day and really need a break from it. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: How to avoid the "English lesson" dinner with |
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timothypfox wrote: |
So, after several weeks of not getting around to making a plan - we finally nailed down a plan for dinner. |
"Making plans" not "making a plan"!  |
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dove
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Location: USA/Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I always look at these occasions to chat in Japanese, too. He probably won't mind. If he does, then he is only looking for a teacher and his payment will probably be dinner. Couldn't that be OK, too? I know you are tired but it's not like you have a whiteboard near the table at the restaurant, right? And it's not every night, right? He might take you to some nice restaurants that you'd hesitate to go to as a lone gaijin, right? Sounds like a lot of rights here, but I could be wrong. |
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jmatt
Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Posts: 122
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: Re: How to avoid the "English lesson" dinner with |
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timothypfox wrote: |
I have a good personal support system in Japan with a few good colleagues I consider friends, my wife and her family, and a yoga class I go to once a week.
There is one man in the yoga class, so I thought this was a chance for me to make a friend because we have similar interests - namely yoga. So, after several weeks of not getting around to making a plan - we finally nailed down a plan for dinner. We had been communicating in a mixed English / Japanese as my Japanese is not good enough to have a smooth or deep conversation with people.
We went out to dinner and talked very pleasantly, but he began asking me continuous questions about English - and very soon I realized this was really more of an English lesson than a social evening out. While I enjoyed the evening generally (we have a friendly friends feeling between each other), he offered to pay for everything calling the evening great English lesson. I felt a little bit disappointed. Even though I will probably go out again with him (not much to do in a small town), I don't want to meet him very often because I felt pretty tired after the evening and I don't have that much free time off from work.
Any ideas about how I might avoid being "too nice" and steering clear of an "English lesson" dinner with a "friend"? |
I suppose one way would be to attempt to speak in Japanese as much as possible, as difficult as it may be. Would be good practice for you and would make it pretty apparent whether he's just looking for free English lessons or truly wants to make a friend.
When I was in Japan, people would often approach me & my friends in nomiya and izakaya wanting to try out their English. Sometimes it was OK and a good laugh, but just as much, it was pretty annoying---especially the times when our Japanese was better than their English--which seemed to often be the case. Switching to Japanese usually discouraged those merely looking to practice their English or have a laugh trying out their stock English phrases.
Anyway, it's a tough situation at times---hard to be cold to/brush off people trying to communicate with you.. |
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move
Joined: 30 May 2009 Posts: 132
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Just make a pass at him. Like, "I couldn't help but notice your body when you were doing the camel pose today..." |
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timothypfox
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 492
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:23 am Post subject: |
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This guy is a physiotherapist, but he wasn't any help unfortunately when I explained I had a little tennis elbow from ukulele playing. I'll definitely try more Japanese with him, and I really do like the make a plan let's not make a plan idea. I won't try to make a pass at him in yoga class though because I am already up on a pedestal for being an English speaking foreigner and will backfire because he would probably be genuinely flattered (even though he is straight) and try to invite me out even more!
Thanks for thoughts! |
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