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Warning:Hangzhou Helen,Nanjing Institute Tourism Hospitality
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teachfortoday



Joined: 21 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:40 am    Post subject: Warning:Hangzhou Helen,Nanjing Institute Tourism Hospitality Reply with quote

This is the resignation letter I sent in last night. I think it explains my experiences.

"This letter is to explain my resignation from the Nanjing Institute of Tourism and Hospitality.
My first problem was when I was asked to start teaching on an F visa. I was not asked to try to get a Z visa until I had been teaching two full months.
The contract was not good. I was disappointed with the unpaid vacation during the Chinese New Year holiday. I was also upset having to pay extra money for utilities, after I was told that housing was provided.
Then the contract was not signed immediately. Instead, the school and the agency in Hangzhou changed the contract, without giving me the option of adding my own input. The original contract was never actually signed. The amendment was not signed until I had been teaching more than six weeks.
I did not get my Z visa until after the term ended. The original offer for my visa trip did not actually cover the cost of the visa itself, much less a trip to Hong Kong. The Hangzhou agency eventually agreed to pay more, but my expenses were still not totally covered.
The terms of the contract were still not fulfilled. When I returned from Hong Kong, classes had ended. The canteen and supermarket were closed. I had access to a kitchen that only had a microwave- no stove, no cooking utensils. To get a proper meal, I had to travel by metro.
Some of these problems should have been handled by the school. Some should have been handled by Hangzhou. However, due to the inadequate living conditions, struggle to get a simple work visa, and the overall poor nature of the contract offered, I have decided to pursue teaching opportunities outside of China."
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7969



Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi. your letter does explain your experiences but not very coherently. There's huge gaps that need to be filled in for it to make a lot of sense. I would have rewritten this more carefully before posting it.

It looks there were areas of your employment that were handled poorly by all three parties involved.
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TexasHighway



Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachfortoday wrote:
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The contract was not good. I was disappointed with the unpaid vacation during the Chinese New Year holiday. I was also upset having to pay extra money for utilities, after I was told that housing was provided.

Which contract was not good? You mean the orignal unsigned contract or the modified contract? Housing provided by the school does not necessarily mean that the school will pay utilities. Some pay, some don't, and some pay a portion. But that should be spelled out in the contract. Were you told you would be paid for Chinese New Years after working for a couple months or you just assumed you would be paid? I know from experience that schools, cafeterias, supermarkets, and just about all the little restaurants surrounding the campus turn into a ghost town during the long holiday break. Your school certainly should have let you know that. I agree that the recruiter and school were remiss in changing the contract and not spelling out the details of your living and working conditons. I hope you have learned from this experience.
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teachfortoday



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TexasHighway wrote:
teachfortoday wrote:
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The contract was not good. I was disappointed with the unpaid vacation during the Chinese New Year holiday. I was also upset having to pay extra money for utilities, after I was told that housing was provided.

Which contract was not good? You mean the orignal unsigned contract or the modified contract? Were you told you would be paid for Chinese New Years after working for a couple months or you just assumed you would be paid? I hope you have learned from this experience.


Both contracts were not good. They were both intentionally vague.
Only later, in person and over the phone were the details clarified for me.
Yes, this was a learning experience for me.
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intentionally vague contract ?
Seems like a common newbie mistake to not clarify everything in the beginning. Until you get burned a few times I think most people would not know where and how the schools can deceive or cheat you.
Also, seems like it is becoming more common for schools to offer less and to try to hide behind deceptive wording in the contract.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Galling I know OP but each element at issue is something I can personally relate to. Not all at the same school/time fortunately!
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teachfortoday



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently heard from other teachers at the school that the kitchen is now equipped with a stove and cooking utensils.

It seems sad that it took my quitting to motivate the school to provide the most basic of cooking utensils.

The school does not provide private apartments. All of the foreign teachers are housed in the first floor of a students dormitory, and the teachers have private bedrooms but must share a sitting room and kitchen.
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was chatting on Skype with a recruiter and she mentioned this school.
4700rmb a month for up to 22 classes a week, 70rmb an hour for overtime, 2500rmb airfare for a 6 month contract, or 5000rmb airfare for a 12 month contract.
No paid holidays.
Located about an hour outside of Nanjing.

That is terrible, no thanks !


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rottenflesh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rogerwilco wrote:
I was chatting on Skype with a recruiter and she mentioned this school.
4700rmb a month for up to 22 classes a week, 70rmb an hour for overtime, 2500rmb airfare for one term or 5000rmb airfare for two terms.
No paid holidays.
Located about an hour outside of Nanjing.


lol, that is pretty horrible.
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teachfortoday



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is my understanding that this school is now desperately searching for a teacher for the next term.


Despite claims to the contrary, they are still using and abusing teachers through Helen Chinatefl .
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grape_fruit



Joined: 11 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: Warning:Hangzhou Helen,Nanjing Institute Tourism Hospita Reply with quote

teachfortoday wrote:
This is the resignation letter I sent in last night. I think it explains my experiences.

"This letter is to explain my resignation from the Nanjing Institute of Tourism and Hospitality.
My first problem was when I was asked to start teaching on an F visa. I was not asked to try to get a Z visa until I had been teaching two full months.
The contract was not good. I was disappointed with the unpaid vacation during the Chinese New Year holiday. I was also upset having to pay extra money for utilities, after I was told that housing was provided.
Then the contract was not signed immediately. Instead, the school and the agency in Hangzhou changed the contract, without giving me the option of adding my own input. The original contract was never actually signed. The amendment was not signed until I had been teaching more than six weeks.
I did not get my Z visa until after the term ended. The original offer for my visa trip did not actually cover the cost of the visa itself, much less a trip to Hong Kong. The Hangzhou agency eventually agreed to pay more, but my expenses were still not totally covered.
The terms of the contract were still not fulfilled. When I returned from Hong Kong, classes had ended. The canteen and supermarket were closed. I had access to a kitchen that only had a microwave- no stove, no cooking utensils. To get a proper meal, I had to travel by metro.
Some of these problems should have been handled by the school. Some should have been handled by Hangzhou. However, due to the inadequate living conditions, struggle to get a simple work visa, and the overall poor nature of the contract offered, I have decided to pursue teaching opportunities outside of China."


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait one minute.

You resigned from a job for reasons like this? You signed and agreed to certain terms and conditions, but then later you didn't like the conditions, so you quit?

You knowingly took a job and, I'm sure, accepted a salary, under the auspice of an F visa. This is illegal. You cannot work or receive payment under an F visa. You were "not asked" to get a Z visa until 2 months later? Why didn't YOU ask ?

You were unhappy or disappointed with unpaid holiday, paying utilities, etc.? You didn't know this? You didn't ask such questions before signing a contract?

You voluntarily worked for more than 6 weeks and you had no actual contract? You worked, without a contract, without a Z visa, accepting payment for work done, and yet you were not legally employed. In fact, you were not employed at all.

Visa "trip" and visa are not the same things. Many people are required to pay their own visa (unless stated otherwise in the contact). So, while it seems they paid for the travel/trip to get your visa, why is it a big deal that you were required to pay for the visa itself? This is becoming more common - that the employee pays for the visa. And, why shouldn't it be, since you entered China under false pretenses?

While it may be reasonable for you to have left, I don't see why you should be out and about slamming the school for things that you clearly had a massive responsibility on your own.

Let's be fair to everyone involved. The schools have a right to be discussed in a fair manner. I don't know their story or their side, but you are hardly an innocent victim. You violated the law, sat on your hands, didn't do your preparation, sad idly, all the while you still had no legal job under a long period of time. You set yourself up the moment you came to China for an improper reason and then worked without any protection of contract, documents, etc.

By the way, all schools shut down their facilities during the breaks, holidays, etc. Thus, why are you surprised you had to go shopping off campus on your own.

You came to China 100+% unprepared. Why ?
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teachfortoday



Joined: 21 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

11 Aug 2011 and 12 Aug 2011 seem to have been busy days for you.
You seem to have many user names that "joined" on those days.

Anyway, the school , in the contract, had originally agreed to pay for the visa trip, but then they tried to back out of paying for anything.

It is not possible for newbies to know every aspect of Chinese law regarding visas.
I initially trusted the school and the recruiter. I feel that was my biggest mistake.
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peewee1979



Joined: 30 Jun 2011
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Location: Once in China was enough. Burned and robbed by Delter and watching others get cheated was enough.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachfortoday wrote:
11 Aug 2011 and 12 Aug 2011 seem to have been busy days for you.
You seem to have many user names that "joined" on those days.

Anyway, the school , in the contract, had originally agreed to pay for the visa trip, but then they tried to back out of paying for anything.

It is not possible for newbies to know every aspect of Chinese law regarding visas.
I initially trusted the school and the recruiter. I feel that was my biggest mistake.


It was a big mistake. Now move on.
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teachfortoday



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peewee1979 wrote:


It was a big mistake. Now move on.



I have moved on.
I was just replying to grape_fruit and his many other aliases.
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billybud



Joined: 26 Nov 2011
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Location: china

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters are banning together and taking a piece of the teacher's salary. This group seems to be rising to the top. They provide teachers for schools that have no ability to hire a foreigner.
This group in Hanzhou is actually a conglomerate of many recruiters. Promisses are their mode of operation. They have guanshi with the police. Very few people can get Z visas but they can.
They want to test you for a few months before they do the paper work.
So many experts on Dave's these days telling people that they are wrong in their trusting of recruiters. Absolutely no empathy on this forum anymore.
There is this false idea that Z visas are easy to acqire in ones home country. I have been here many years and the only time this was possible was during the 2008 Olympics when foreignerw were sent home to get the visa. Hong Kong was closed.
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