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Why did you originally go to teach in China?
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Why did you originally go to teach in China?
Not qualified to work in other places
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Want to work minimal hours
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Vices are cheap
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Hard time finding work at home
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Run away from problems back home
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Want to learn Chinese and embrace Chinese culture
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Got bored of other places
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Start life over again
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Tricked into going there
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Other
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Flip-Flopper



Joined: 24 May 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:10 am    Post subject: Why did you originally go to teach in China? Reply with quote

I don't really have any good reason to go to China to teach, but it seems most of my email inbox is getting filled with ads and spam from Chinese schools looking for "any old white face" regardless of qualifications. Nothing they say can entice me, so what enticed you?
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One receives such ads when he signs up to receive them.

Duh...

Please starve the trolls.
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Flip-Flopper



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I'm not a troll. I've been reading the forums for a few months now but discovered that there is an off-topic forum that needs registration. I'm genuinely curious what made people get off their yoo-hoos and choose China instead of some other place. I'm really thinking about it but the salaries are so low compared to other places but the start up costs seem kind of low outside of the big cities.
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip-Flopper wrote:
Sorry I'm not a troll. I've been reading the forums for a few months now but discovered that there is an off-topic forum that needs registration. I'm genuinely curious what made people get off their yoo-hoos and choose China instead of some other place. I'm really thinking about it but the salaries are so low compared to other places but the start up costs seem kind of low outside of the big cities.


I don't believe.
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Ariadne



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'll bite. My kids were grown and the job I loved packed up and moved to another city. With the support of my husband (and kids who had already taught overseas), I went back to school for a year to get a university TESOL certificate. I wanted to go to Turkey because I'd never been there, but without a masters it looked as if I'd be stuck with language schools so I headed for China instead. I've been lucky, no horror stories to tell. I love teaching at the university level. The pay is fine and my accommodations are very comfortable. I'll be back in the fall for another year.

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mnguy29



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:03 pm    Post subject: why Reply with quote

I went to teach in China four years ago for a few reasons. Yes, the beginning of our economic downturn and could not find a good job was a big part of it. I have two college degrees and one is in teaching. I am also divorced with no children which made it easier. Also, decided it would be a great adventure and something I never will forget. It is all of that. I chose China over Korea because its a bigger country and just seemed to be more interesting. From what I have heard about teaching in Korea, I was right. Except for the pay which is much better in Korea.
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colonel



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted my two daughters to learn Mandarin in the most effective and, in my opinion, efficient way.
The only way we could stay in China to effect this aim was for me to get a job teaching.
Yes, they've had to subject themselves to class sizes of 50+ etc. but my mission was for them to achieve a relatively high level of fluency.
Five years later and we're still here. The kids, I'm told, speak like a/any local and, as a bonus, their numeracy skills are way ahead of their Western peers - job, almost, done.
Next year it's off to Blighty as secondary level education is where it all begins - and, no doubt, further challenges for me.
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mike w



Joined: 26 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The company I worked for in the UK sent me here. When I finished the job they sent me to do (took 5 years), I decided to stay.
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scholar



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read an article today about middle-class families turning to food stamps and government medical assistance because they experienced layoffs, foreclosures, etc. Americans have a pretty limited viewpoint as to how they should be able to survive -- they'll do whatever it takes, as long as they get to stay in the same neighborhood, find a new job exactly like their old one, and keep all of their premium cable channels.

China could be a good place for a lot of American families, at least until the U.S. economy recovers. They might not save a lot of money, but they would survive. Their kids would learn Mandarin, and their math would improve, too. Both parents could teach, they could have an apartment provided, and they could hire an ayi. Their family income relative to expenses wouldn't be bad at all.

How many American families will consider this? About 0.00001 percent. As I said, they'll do whatever it takes -- as long as it doesn't involve anything outside their comfort zone.
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MisterButtkins



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

took Chinese as my foreign language in college. Wanted to get some use out of it. After moving out here, moving back to the US seems undesirable.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The company I was working for was downsizing.
Quite by chance I saw an ad about a Teach International information session.
I signed up and in the process learned that China is the biggest hirer.
I met someone on Dave's who lived near me and we met up for coffee.
She had worked in Dalian and offered to put me in touch with her old school.
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cormac



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scholar wrote:
I read an article today about middle-class families turning to food stamps and government medical assistance because they experienced layoffs, foreclosures, etc. Americans have a pretty limited viewpoint as to how they should be able to survive -- they'll do whatever it takes, as long as they get to stay in the same neighborhood, find a new job exactly like their old one, and keep all of their premium cable channels.


Its not just Americans. All nationalities will contribute to such behavior when faced with problems. The Chinese do it themselves under various reasons from the standard of their own government right through to police corruption. Its human nature to hope for the best. (and hunker down with the illusion of normality until it improves)

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China could be a good place for a lot of American families, at least until the U.S. economy recovers. They might not save a lot of money, but they would survive. Their kids would learn Mandarin, and their math would improve, too. Both parents could teach, they could have an apartment provided, and they could hire an ayi. Their family income relative to expenses wouldn't be bad at all.


Do you have any realistic idea of the costs involved in moving a family to another country? If your home economy is screwed, where will you get tenants to cover the mortgage on your home? Where will you get the money for flights, insurance, moving costs, etc? What about outstanding loans or interest payments? Or the loss of school placements for your children? etc etc etc

You throw out this bubble of potential but fail to consider that its extremely expensive to move to another country with a family. When single its much easier and cheaper, but children add a whole new dimension of stress to the mix (especially with small children).

I have a good life in China because I'm single. I spend roughly half my chinese income each month to cover costs on my mortgage back home. (not including the costs of transfering the money, and the drop in value when it changes currency).

Its all very well and good to talk about the potential of living in China, but you need to consider the realities too. Which I suspect you'd rather ignore, while lording over Americans..

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How many American families will consider this? About 0.00001 percent. As I said, they'll do whatever it takes -- as long as it doesn't involve anything outside their comfort zone.


Which is, again, human nature. Very few families uproot and move across continents. Its considered to be a young persons game, and if a family does it, usually its done to in stages spread across years.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote scholar:
How many American families will consider this? About 0.00001 percent. As I said, they'll do whatever it takes -- as long as it doesn't involve anything outside their comfort zone
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Quote cormac:
Which is, again, human nature. Very few families uproot and move across continents. Its considered to be a young persons game, and if a family does it, usually its done to in stages spread across years.



Again, ditto what cormac said. The reluctance to uproot a family and move to another country/continent/language is by no means limited to Americans, and for many good reasons.
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Flip-Flopper



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scholar wrote:

China could be a good place for a lot of American families


You don't sound very knowledgeable about the situation in America. How can they afford $1,000 each, storage costs for their stuff, and then other start-up costs? Heck, I can barely afford it and I'm single! Other places offer up-front airfares, but not China.

If China paid more, I'd for sure be more interested but as it stands it's simply not worth it. I guess if I started 10 years ago, sure. But not now, and not with what I have seen about the cost of living going up in China and inflation.
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spicykimchi



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught English for four years in a certain country not too far from China. I left for two reasons: First, I wanted to teach adults. In that country, adult gigs are hard to come by. And if you do land one, you're more than likely going to work an annoying split shift. (But I think that the Wall Streets there have a 9-5 shift.)

Second, China's in no way perfect, but when I took a vacation to Shanghai, the people seemed a tad friendlier and a lot less xenophobic than the other large city from that country I worked in. So I thought that I'd give China a shot. I've been here almost half a year, and it's okay.
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