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The Psychopathology of Eikaiwa Losers and Charisma Man
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:24 am    Post subject: The Psychopathology of Eikaiwa Losers and Charisma Man Reply with quote

My title, not theirs. They call it Berger D et al., Mental health care of Western expatriates in Tokyo, Travel Medicine and Infectious Disease (2008), doi:10.1016/j.tmaid.2008.04.004. Here are the highlights:

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There are some disorders, however, related to the lifestyle of living in Japan. One is due to the culture of heavy drinking[...]. Another is the development of a disorder of sexual control in men. Some men collect a number of girlfriends having multiple sexual partners, and some frequent the many erotic massage parlors where manual and oral sex is legal and widely available. The mix of a high population density, the largely young age of women in the work force, and the combination of interest in speaking English with the lure of having less social restrictions with Western men who are seen as a way out of the traditional Japanese lifestyle, leads to significant interest in these men among some groups of Japanese women. Both the heavy drinking and the sexual indiscretions are often subjectively distressing, and may lead to significant problems in work and occupational functioning, not to mention marital conflict.

An additional issue that one might say has some relationship to being in Japan is that, because it is relatively easy for a native English speaker to obtain employment teaching English in a ��English Conversation School��, some persons who otherwise have significant talents may not reach their full potential. If one is anxious or has low self-esteem due to a personality disorder or depression, then it may be less anxiety provoking or less of a challenge to one�s fear of failure to teach English than to take the risk of failure in a more challenging career path and the studies necessary for this path which they might otherwise have pursued if they were in their native country and felt the pressure to strive for employment. Some persons who have an oppositional or rebellious style may have had trouble fitting into a conventional career path and also gravitate to English teaching in these schools. It is also common to see persons with untreated ADD, dysthymia, or bipolar spectrum illness who do not want to accept they are ill and thus they function below their potential. Not all English teachers are below their potential of course, and a number of these persons obtain Master�s or higher level degrees in teaching or linguistics and enjoy the challenges of language teaching in Universities, etc.


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Inflames



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of grammar mistakes for a published article. In addition, there are also a lot of "facts" that aren't cited at all (only 6 references, all of which were written by one of the authors!). Any editor with half a clue should have simply just shredded the thing.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read a book a few years ago that covered the other half of that issue: a certain type of Japanese woman who looked to the West (and sometimes Western men) as a symbol of equality and "freedom". Rather well done academic work.

http://www.amazon.com/Women-Verge-Japanese-Asia-Pacific-Politics/dp/0822328054/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340439835&sr=1-4&keywords=women+verge
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: The Psychopathology of Eikaiwa Losers and Charisma Man Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
If one is anxious or has low self-esteem due to a personality disorder or depression, then it may be less anxiety provoking or less of a challenge to one�s fear of failure to teach English than to take the risk of failure in a more challenging career path and the studies necessary for this path which they might otherwise have pursued if they were in their native country and felt the pressure to strive for employment.


I think this is cheeky to the TELF profession. What about people who are just very good teachers who chose to do it instead of staying behind to become a layer or unemployed ot something? Confused
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move



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: The Psychopathology of Eikaiwa Losers and Charisma Man Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
If one is anxious or has low self-esteem due to a personality disorder or depression, then it may be less anxiety provoking or less of a challenge to one�s fear of failure to teach English than to take the risk of failure in a more challenging career path and the studies necessary for this path which they might otherwise have pursued if they were in their native country and felt the pressure to strive for employment.


That is a RUN-ON sentence. Very Happy
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: The Psychopathology of Eikaiwa Losers and Charisma Man Reply with quote

move wrote:
Pitarou wrote:
If one is anxious or has low self-esteem due to a personality disorder or depression, then it may be less anxiety provoking or less of a challenge to one�s fear of failure to teach English than to take the risk of failure in a more challenging career path and the studies necessary for this path which they might otherwise have pursued if they were in their native country and felt the pressure to strive for employment.


That is a RUN-ON sentence. Very Happy


No it isn't it is a tautology look: Wink

"it may be...less of a challenge to one's fear of failure to teach English than take the risk of failure in a more challenging career path"

That is like saying, "It maybe cheaper to buy a cheaper thing than a morre expensive thing." Rolling Eyes
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The writers of that article seem to be saying that there is plentiful and worthwhile employment in western countries (yup, right), if only the slackers would take it (what, well below minimum wage on Workfare or something?), and that English teaching only really becomes challenging when teaching at university level (hmm, maybe, if comments regarding the relative immaturity of many Japanese students at that level are true, though logically they should of course be at a much higher level by then, and if anything easier to teach than younger and usually less linguistically-capable students. IMHO the challenges ultimately remain the same, more or less constant, no matter where you work: this stuff here is all English, and now you have to somehow teach it).
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ghostrider



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's some truth to this. Japan really limits what foreigners are allowed to do and does not encourage them to integrate and break into other fields. If you love teaching, especially TEFL, and have your heart set on eventually teaching at university level, then this fits in nicely. If your passion is in another field not related to TEFL, you're going to have a hard time getting into that, not that it can't be done.

It's also true, depending on the field you study and the local economy of where you'd be living if back home, you may just end up doing unrelated work, for low wages back home. You'll have more options to try to get out of that rut though.

I think they're glamorizing what happens on the relationship/sex end. I think most people date in ways they would back home. Perhaps it's easier to attract people who are already interested in foreigners, but percentage wise, you have access to a much smaller portion of the population since many are simply not interested in being with foreigners and if you can't speak Japanese, you're even more limited.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inflames wrote:
There are a lot of grammar mistakes for a published article. In addition, there are also a lot of "facts" that aren't cited at all (only 6 references, all of which were written by one of the authors!). Any editor with half a clue should have simply just shredded the thing.
Hahaha, gotta love the author's invented words like "comradery." And yeah, "thru" definitely belongs in an academic journal...

Apparently, I should quit my eikaiwa job, return home immediately, marry a proper American woman from a distinguished and well-bred family, stop trifling over childish things like video games and learning those heathen symbols -- what do you call them? "Congee?" ...and be more concerned about my career and starting a family! Perhaps I can even start wearing a top hat and growing a meticulously-groomed handlebar mustache (with mustache wax, of course) while I'm at it...

Oh, if only I would stop it at once with this eikaiwa poppycock and allow myself to be medicated for all the conditions I childishly deny having, like ADD and bipolar disorder! Then I could lead a proper life as a gentleman in America, starting my day every day at precisely 7:30 with the morning paper, before going to work as a dignified professional at the bank!

...oh, wouldn't it be lovely!
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Hahaha, gotta love the author's invented words like "comradery."


<ahem>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comradery

I'm not sure you're in a position to criticize many academic journal articles. Happily, the one under discussion doesn't count as an "academic" journal article, so have at it! Smile


What's interesting, aside from the article being ~7 years old, is how riddled with anecdotal stories it is. It certainly says up front it's just a survey, but it surprising that a publisher like El Sevier would go near something so loosely written. I guess it gives hope to all those who hope/need to "publish". Smile


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quoting from the article:

"It is rare to find a Westerner with severe mental illness in Japan."

Shocked

They *so* don't get out much in Japan.

I've always been of the opinion that you can't not run into non-Japanese with mental health issues in Japan. It simply goes with the territory, and a good number in recent years (I'm primarily looking at you, anime and manga ppl) arrive with mental health issues.



"This is because persons who are seriously ill with schizophrenia, psychotic depression or difficult to control bipolar disorder, usually will not have a career which may send them abroad, and ongoing symptoms will impair the ability to travel overseas and negotiate the complex logistics and finances of living in Japan if one tries to come on their own accord."

Another tautology. They're good at those. I will admit though, the article is fascinating. Just not for good reasons.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:
I've always been of the opinion that you can't not run into non-Japanese with mental health issues in Japan. It simply goes with the territory, and a good number in recent years (I'm primarily looking at you, anime and manga ppl) arrive with mental health issues.


A bit harsh IMO, but I see your point. I think social scientists could do some useful and interesting research on expats. In Japan and elsewhere. Demographic data as background and then more qualitative research to look at their personal decisions, goals, feelings and so on.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:
A bit harsh IMO, but I see your point. I think social scientists could do some useful and interesting research on expats. In Japan and elsewhere. Demographic data as background and then more qualitative research to look at their personal decisions, goals, feelings and so on.


Yeah, but possibly only a *bit* too harsh IMO. Since 1991 when I first went to Japan, I've met a good number of people there that were clearly completely unhinged, and I've noticed a strong uptick in the last ten years in the certain backgrounds of people and a corresponding decline in their inherent social skills - and that's been the anime & manga crowd. Gross generalization, sure, but that's my experience. Obviously, purely anecdotal & very much YMMV. I too would be interested in seeing some serious study on the subject. After all, maybe I just attract the loonies? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:
I've always been of the opinion that you can't not run into non-Japanese with mental health issues in Japan. It simply goes with the territory, and a good number in recent years (I'm primarily looking at you, anime and manga ppl) arrive with mental health issues.


Would you include yourself with this statement then?
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghostrider wrote:
I think they're glamorizing what happens on the relationship/sex end. I think most people date in ways they would back home. Perhaps it's easier to attract people who are already interested in foreigners, but percentage wise, you have access to a much smaller portion of the population since many are simply not interested in being with foreigners and if you can't speak Japanese, you're even more limited.


I'm not sure they're glamorizing it, rather just comparing it to the more typical Japanese customs. I disagree with the dating as they would back home too. Japan is the land where ugly guys with no social skills can get a cute girlfriend. I'd say a substantial number of the foreigners in Japan (mainly Americans, as they seem the most common) probably didn't date much at all back home!

As for the mental health thing, without wanting to seem like I'm banging on about Americans, I've met a whole bunch that come across as slightly unsettling at least. Let's just say that you can see why they came to a place like Japan.
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