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al-Californian
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 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: Recruiters and Contractors SUCK!!!!!!! |
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This is my rant against them as a young TESOL'er with a BA, MA, and a couple years of experience, which apparently doesn't count because it was pre-MA(another monkey wrench).
Thanks to these sharks, all of my hard work can be overlooked by one of the few direct hire universities that would rather employ some panhandling, desperate, non-English major + (DELTA/CELTA/TEFL/TESL/WARM BODY CERTIFICATE) for peanuts and Cracker Jacks, right?
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tacomaboywa
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:39 pm Post subject: I Agree |
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| Yep! They all suck!!! |
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Richard62
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| With a related MA, CELTA and one year post-MA experience, I've received both a direct hire job offer from a government university and an offer through a recruiter. The former is considerably less than 10.000 SR. Apparently they did not take my MA into account when calculating the salary, because I don't have the 2 years post-MA experience they require. And they did not accept my experience either, because even though I would have had one year experience by the time I would take up my post in Saudi were I to accept the offer, I only had 6 months experience at the time I applied. So it makes sense for me to accept the job offer from the recruiter and work on a busines visa, and once I rack up some experience in the region, I can apply to direct hire universities again. |
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al-Californian
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Richard62 wrote: |
| With a related MA, CELTA and one year post-MA experience, I've received both a direct hire job offer from a government university and an offer through a recruiter. The former is considerably less than 10.000 SR. Apparently they did not take my MA into account when calculating the salary, because I don't have the 2 years post-MA experience they require. And they did not accept my experience either, because even though I would have had one year experience by the time I would take up my post in Saudi were I to accept the offer, I only had 6 months experience at the time I applied. So it makes sense for me to accept the job offer from the recruiter and work on a busines visa, and once I rack up some experience in the region, I can apply to direct hire universities again. |
Less than 10,000K for a native speaker, your papers, and experience? Are they nuts?!!!!!! |
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Richard62
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| al-Californian wrote: |
| Richard62 wrote: |
| With a related MA, CELTA and one year post-MA experience, I've received both a direct hire job offer from a government university and an offer through a recruiter. The former is considerably less than 10.000 SR. Apparently they did not take my MA into account when calculating the salary, because I don't have the 2 years post-MA experience they require. And they did not accept my experience either, because even though I would have had one year experience by the time I would take up my post in Saudi were I to accept the offer, I only had 6 months experience at the time I applied. So it makes sense for me to accept the job offer from the recruiter and work on a busines visa, and once I rack up some experience in the region, I can apply to direct hire universities again. |
Less than 10,000K for a native speaker, your papers, and experience? Are they nuts?!!!!!! |
I am not a native-speaker though. Maybe that's why. I am from one of the Western European countries. |
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AbeCross
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: Absolutely |
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I concur. They are at best unscrupulous and at worst mendacious. They typically are only interested in their commission.
I had a very bad experience with a US-based one a few years ago. |
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al-Californian
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Absolutely |
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| AbeCross wrote: |
I concur. They are at best unscrupulous and at worst mendacious. They typically are only interested in their commission.
I had a very bad experience with a US-based one a few years ago. |
Sorry to hear that happened to you, but those are some bodacious words, dude. |
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scot47
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| Direct hire with a real institution that gets you an Iqama. Only the desperate go any other way. I mwean the ones who can't get into the French Foreign legion. |
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7168Riyadh
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Direct hire with a real institution that gets you an Iqama. Only the desperate go any other way. I mwean the ones who can't get into the French Foreign legion. |
You've been banging out this mantra for some time, but the direct hire/via recruiter dichotomy is not so simple. The ridiculous and anal retentive criteria for direct hire at many educational institutions in KSA have indeed spawned the recruiter boom--oftentimes you are better off going through a recruiter nowadays. It's not an act of desperation to do so, although deals vary wildly I'll grant you. |
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al-Californian
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 7168Riyadh wrote: |
| You've been banging out this mantra for some time, but the direct hire/via recruiter dichotomy is not so simple. The ridiculous and anal retentive criteria for direct hire at many educational institutions in KSA have indeed spawned the recruiter boom |
That is what I'm thinking, too! |
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johnslat
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And here I was, thinking simple greed and sloth were the spawners. 
Regards,
John |
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al-Californian
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:13 am Post subject: |
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And here I was, thinking simple greed and sloth were the spawners.
Regards,
John |
I also think that they ask teachers about how greedy they are as an interview question!  |
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desert_traveller
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| 7168Riyadh wrote: |
| The ridiculous and anal retentive criteria for direct hire at many educational institutions in KSA have indeed spawned the recruiter boom. |
This sounds interesting. Could you elaborate please? |
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scot47
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Decent institutions in KSA do not have anything to do with these parasites. Look at KFUPM and KAU. The first had some experiences with these bloodsuckers and then bid them adieu. Other intsitutions use them because they provide hude opportunties for kickbacks and wasta-mongering. ARAMCO was the first to discover the wonders of recruiters as a way of lining the pockets of those with some power in the HR field. That started bBck in the 1980's and is now a very common way of getting foreign labour. being a migrant worker is a bad deal - being hired through a recruiter/contractor just makes it worse.
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7168Riyadh
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| desert_traveller wrote: |
| 7168Riyadh wrote: |
| The ridiculous and anal retentive criteria for direct hire at many educational institutions in KSA have indeed spawned the recruiter boom. |
This sounds interesting. Could you elaborate please? |
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The government lays down these criteria for hiring, which may have some logic but are totally inflexible=teacher shortfall=opening for recruiters=sloth and greed. |
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