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You become a TEFL teacher when your life has gone wrong?
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workingnomad



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: You become a TEFL teacher when your life has gone wrong? Reply with quote

As the philosopher Alain de Botton says: "You become a TEFL teacher when your life has gone wrong."

Interesting perspective on tefl as a career, is it a fair reflection?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/3325192/The-slavery-of-teaching-English.html
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of sour grapes and apparently devoted to Brits working only in Europe. We are not all as broke as the author makes out, nor are we all fat, suicidal, and lacking in ambition and living "hand to mouth". Apparently when the author wrote, "After the age of 40, English teachers are burnt-out, skill-less and unemployable, their working lives a wasteland, their future oblivion", he didn't really know what he was talking about, nor did he realize that teaching itself is a job. He seems to treat it as a backpacker wayside event in one's life. Of course, if he himself has not gotten additional training, learned to cope with a foreign land, and networked, those circumstances may apply...to him.

Your own opinion, workingnomad?
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workingnomad



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My own opinion? The author is an idiot.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto what workingnomad said.
My life was going fine when I became a TEFL teacher, and it's been even better since. As that's over 14 years now, it seems to be a pretty solid outcome in my case, at least!
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Qaaolchoura



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
A lot of sour grapes and apparently devoted to Brits working only in Europe. We are not all as broke as the author makes out, nor are we all fat, suicidal, and lacking in ambition and living "hand to mouth". Apparently when the author wrote, "After the age of 40, English teachers are burnt-out, skill-less and unemployable, their working lives a wasteland, their future oblivion", he didn't really know what he was talking about, nor did he realize that teaching itself is a job. He seems to treat it as a backpacker wayside event in one's life. Of course, if he himself has not gotten additional training, learned to cope with a foreign land, and networked, those circumstances may apply...to him.

Your own opinion, workingnomad?

This. So this.
Thank you Glenski.

I remember in Korea I asked an English coworker why he came all the way to Korea when the whole European Union was open to him. Paraphrasing him (to remove the profanities), the cost of living was too high and the pay is relatively terrible.

As a general rule if you want to be in a place where a lot of people want to be (like Rome), you'll find that prices rise and competition for jobs means lower pay, worse conditions, or both. You see the same even in Turkey, where the pay goes up in Gaziantep and other parts of the east where few want to go, and the cost of living goes up in the coastal resort areas between Alanya and Izmir where all the Brits want to be.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this article at least twice before, and every time I read it, this Sebastian Cresswell-Turner comes across as ever more of an unimaginative, naval-gazing, upper crust, little Englander nitwit.

Regards,
~Q
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear workingnomad,

I agree - and so did many posters when the article was introduced here before:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=90816&highlight=sebastian+cresswellturner

Regards,
John
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan de Bottom is himself a buertn-out writer who looked fifty when he was thirty and is now considered a pomposs mediocrity by the newspapers who is projecting his own failure (in the eyes of his father) on a wide group of people he may never meet. Wink

He's so insecure theat he had a meltdown over a negative book rreview and worries he is now "finished" at the age of 42.

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Alain de Botton, the philosopher and author, has launched an extraordinary internet attack on a book reviewer, telling him: "I will hate you until the day I die".

The outburst followed a poor review of de Botton's book The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work, by Caleb Crain in The New York Times.

The author, whose books include Essays in Love and The Consolations of Philosophy, lost his temper during a posting on Crain's blog, Steamboats Are Ruining Everything.

"In my eyes, and all those who have read it with anything like impartiality, it is a review driven by an almost manic desire to bad-mouth and perversely depreciate anything of value," he wrote. "The accusations you level at me are simply extraordinary."




Oh physicisan, heal thyse;f Wink Cool

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/5712899/Alain-de-Botton-tells-New-York-Times-reviewer-I-will-hate-you-until-I-die.html
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His version reminds me of a combination of Evelyn Waugh's Decline and Fall and the English Teacher X blog (hilarious and usually lacking in good taste). I think it is true in some cases, but there are plenty of people who enjoy seeing students develop and who do create decent careers for themselves, even if the trappings of material success tend to few and far between.
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind. Maybe someone could write and tell him how enthusiastically his notions on Teflers are still being discussed on Dave's in an endless looping thread (from c. The Dark Ages til ... probably ... Kingdom Come).

His name will live on here.
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As a general rule if you want to be in a place where a lot of people want to be (like Rome), you'll find that prices rise and competition for jobs means lower pay, worse conditions, or both. You see the same even in Turkey, where the pay goes up in Gaziantep and other parts of the east where few want to go, and the cost of living goes up in the coastal resort areas between Alanya and Izmir where all the Brits want to be.


Not just the case for TEFLers. Locals also suffer low pay, high rents and no job security. Youth unemployment is over 30% and Italy has been in recession for what seems years...
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Qaaolchoura



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coledavis wrote:
His version reminds me of a combination of Evelyn Waugh's Decline and Fall and the English Teacher X blog (hilarious and usually lacking in good taste). I think it is true in some cases, but there are plenty of people who enjoy seeing students develop and who do create decent careers for themselves, even if the trappings of material success tend to few and far between.

I haven't read ETX blog (I'll look it up), but I have read Decline and Fall (which is one of my favorite books ever), and I'll beg of you not to sully Evelyn Waugh's good name by such a comparison!

~Q
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wailing_imam



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am doing alright, bought a nice flat in Singapore (�250,000), travel 4 or 5 times a year including at least a fortnight in Europe and get annual bonuses on top of my salary of �7500 a year. My mates working in London in all manner of jobs are having a torrid time. I'd say that those of us with the right paperwork can get a fairly decent existence in Asia.
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Xie Lin



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wailing_imam wrote:
. . . My mates working in London in all manner of jobs are having a torrid time. . .


Hmmmm. . . A torrid time-- not everyone would consider that such a bad thing! Very Happy

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Hod



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wailing_imam wrote:
I am doing alright, bought a nice flat in Singapore (�250,000), travel 4 or 5 times a year including at least a fortnight in Europe and get annual bonuses on top of my salary of �7500 a year. My mates working in London in all manner of jobs are having a torrid time. I'd say that those of us with the right paperwork can get a fairly decent existence in Asia.


It depends what your friends are doing in London. I stopped TEFLing in 2005 and did another job in Germany. I need a break from Germany now and want to be in the UK for one or two years. It will be nice to watch some real football, understand what people are saying, i.e. what they're really saying, drink real beer and feel at home near my aging parents and other family. I'm not going to live in an inner city or a dodgy estate, and I'm looking forward to it a lot. The job pays well too, so not everyone in the UK is having a grim time.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Understand whgat people are saying" That is exactly what I cannot do in my native land. Unless you immerse yoursel in popular culture TV and tabloids you will not understand what 90 percent of bthe poulace are talking about.
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