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Sweaty Ted
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 Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: What is the least you would accept to come to KSA? |
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If you had a post-graduate degree in TESOL, plus many years of experience teaching at the university level?
US$3,000
US$3,500
US$4,000?????
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Grendal
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| You must make this post a poll to get true results. |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Nyaah. This way we have infinite possibilities of responses available to us, even those outside the range of reality.
I have the post-grad degree and experience.
I'd come for nothing less than around 10,000 USD clean/monthly.
Obviously, I'm not hungry for the bucks or the job, cause of course I know they'd never pay me that much............    |
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Sweaty Ted
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I've never heard of anyone raking in US$10,000 per month, but I am kind of insulted that my "clarified" contract is supposedly only going to pay me 12,000 Riyal per month. Yes, I know it's tax free, the apartment is paid for and I get a furnishing allowance of 8,500 Riyals in a lump sum, but it's hard to get around without a car in Abha, and my mortgage back home is US$835 per month, which means I would have a little over $2,000 left over after that deduction, which makes it hardly worth it, especially if I have to buy or lease a car or hire a driver, plus put up with Saudi law. I have seen offers for universities in Dubai for US$3,900 with accommodation and no taxes. Plus, they have public transport and you can drink legally! |
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johnslat
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Dear Sweaty Ted,
I may have asked this previously but are the many tears of teaching experience before or after you got the post-grad degree?
They count only those after.
Regards,
John |
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Sweaty Ted
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John,
I got the M.Ed. in 2001. I had begun teaching EFL for a language school in Paris in October 2000. The coursework is what I completed at the University of Nevada in August of 2000 and then went abroad and did my thesis research. The degree was officially granted in December of 2001. I continued teaching at that same language school until June of 2003. I then taught ESL for one semester at a junior college in Chicago for the autumn of 2003. I taught English and Spanish for one semester at a charter school in the spring of 1997; afterwards, I taught Spanish at a high school from 2007 to 2008. In August of 2008, I began teaching Spanish at a state university as a teaching assistant full time until May of 2012. I have also been teaching English and ESL at the community college here since August of 2011.
I've got credentials. I've got experience. I will take my business elsewhee. If I can get a job paying at least US$4,000 per month, I am taking it. |
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rdobbs98
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Well Sweaty Ted they will pay you what they want because if you don't take it, they will have another in line who will. That is just a fact if they really want you or not and how much competition there is for the position.
Supply and demand/market forces. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Sweaty Ted wrote: |
John,
I got the M.Ed. in 2001. I had begun teaching EFL for a language school in Paris in October 2000. The coursework is what I completed at the University of Nevada in August of 2000 and then went abroad and did my thesis research. The degree was officially granted in December of 2001. I continued teaching at that same language school until June of 2003. I then taught ESL for one semester at a junior college in Chicago for the autumn of 2003. I taught English and Spanish for one semester at a charter school in the spring of 1997; afterwards, I taught Spanish at a high school from 2007 to 2008. In August of 2008, I began teaching Spanish at a state university as a teaching assistant full time until May of 2012. I have also been teaching English and ESL at the community college here since August of 2011.
I've got credentials. I've got experience. I will take my business elsewhee. If I can get a job paying at least US$4,000 per month, I am taking it. |
Given the lukewarm salary offered, it's very likely they're not giving you full, if any, credit for the years you spent teaching Spanish, which makes sense. After all, they're looking to hire someone with relevant English language teaching experience.
A suggestion: When applying for TEFL positions, highlight your English experience but downplay the Spanish teaching to a minimum---maybe even put it in a separate "Other Experience" section on your CV. Otherwise, potential employers are only going to see a candidate who has mostly taught Spanish and who probably should be applying instead for a job as a Spanish teacher. Seriously, whenever you've indicated your specific experience in your posts, I'm distracted by your mention of Spanish and am not sure why you keep bringing it up. |
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nomad soul
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| Sweaty Ted (from the UAE forum) wrote: |
Education:
B.A. in English, University of Nevada (1996)
M.ED. in post-secondary TESOL, University of Nevada (2001)
B.A. in Spanish with a minor in French, Arizona State University (2005)
M.A. in Spanish, Arizona State University (2012)
Experience:
March to October 1997: Hogwan in Seoul, South Korea.
Autumn 1998: volunteer ESL teacher at Union Settlement, NYC.
Spring 2000: internship at Rio Casino as ESL teacher to employees.
October 2000-June 2003: private language academy in Paris, France. Taught EFL to executives.
Autumn 2003: ESL instructor at a community college in Chicago.
Spring 2007: English and Spanish teacher at a charter school.
July 2007-May 2008: Spanish teacher at a secondary school.
August 2008 - May 2012: full-time Spanish teaching assistant at Arizona State University. Taught Spanish to lower-division students.
August 2011-present: adjunct instructor of ESL and English at a community college.
Languages: fluent French, fluent Spanish, reading knowledge of Portuguese and Italian. |
I took the info you provided on the UAE forum and stripped out references to Spanish for a more accurate picture of your TESL/TEFL background. The following is roughly what Mid East employers should first see in terms of your qualifications and experience:
Relevant Education:
B.A. in English, University of Nevada (1996)
M.ED. in post-secondary TESOL, University of Nevada (2001) Relevant Experience: (Specify those positions that were part time.)
March to October 1997: Hogwan in Seoul, South Korea. (Not counted as post-grad experience.)
October 2000-June 2003: private language academy in Paris, France. Taught EFL to executives. (Business English? Conversation English? Also, employers may only count 18 months of this experience as post-grad degree work.)
Autumn 2003: ESL instructor at a community college in Chicago.
Spring 2007: English teacher at a charter school. (ESL or English as in English Language Arts (ELA)? What grade level(s) did you teach?)
August 2011-present: adjunct instructor of ESL and English at a community college. Put your Spanish teaching experience and related degrees in their own sections as something like "Other Teaching Experience" and "Other Education" respectively; just list the places, locations and dates. Also, employers don't count volunteer work and internships; they only want to see paid (professional) teaching experience. However, you can list that experience in a "Volunteer/Internship" section. Your non-related languages can be included in an optional section at the end of your CV/resume. |
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simonenglish
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The Spanish teaching doesn't count for many employers I would think. They probably factor in years spent actually teaching ESL/English. Saying that, I would think with your quals around 3500-4000 US Dollars a month would be fair.
The salaries seem to have gone down a notch or two from five years ago.
Also, good to shop around and see what different recruiters are offering. With the same CV I had a recruiter offer 8000 US Dollars a year more than someone else. |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: What is the least you would accept to come to KSA? |
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| Sweaty Ted wrote: |
If you had a post-graduate degree in TESOL, plus many years of experience teaching at the university level?
US$3,000
US$3,500
US$4,000????? |
I would say that $16,000 a month + housing and all the other benefits might be worth it, but that will never happen. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Difficult to find jobs that pay more than US$6,000 a month. |
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lcanupp1964
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Most HR staffs in KSA are very black and white when it comes to work experience. If you can't show them an official letter of ref/rec (on school/university letterhead) with the dates of employment, or another document like a work contract, they will not count it. Most places will assume that any volunteer work one puts down is just padding for the CV. A recruiter may say the information you provided them is OK, but when you go to the HR department (mostly speaking about direct hires), they may not count some of the experience because you couldn�t provide them with the letters/documents. When this happens, they may adjust your salary. Oh, and for some reason, they love to see stamps on most documents.   |
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ohwell
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| lcanupp1964 wrote: |
| Most HR staffs in KSA are very black and white when it comes to work experience. If you can't show them an official letter of ref/rec (on school/university letterhead) with the dates of employment, or another document like a work contract, they will not count it. Most places will assume that any volunteer work one puts down is just padding for the CV. A recruiter may say the information you provided them is OK, but when you go to the HR department (mostly speaking about direct hires), they may not count some of the experience because you couldn�t provide them with the letters/documents. When this happens, they may adjust your salary. Oh, and for some reason, they love to see stamps on most documents. |
stamps are equal to signatures - here in Jordan they also love stamps, my colleague got himself a stamp and uses it instead of actually signing a document... |
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scot47
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| i know "Westerners" with 30 years experience and MA's working there for 7000 Sr a month (US$1850) ! Over 65 and forced to work through a contractor ! |
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