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dackinator



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Job before or after you arrive? Reply with quote

For those who decided to teach abroad, do you secure a job before you arrive or after?

I've taught for 3 years, in 3 different countries. Each time I've got a job before going (via job websites, skype interviews, etc). To make sure I've got a source of income and don't fly there for nothing.

On the other hand most teachers I meet abroad have just turned up and searched for jobs. And for every 1 job advertised online, there are 5 or 6 unadvertised which you would otherwise miss.

Which do you do?
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot depends on what part of the world you're talking about.

In China, where I am, most first jobs are secured before you come here, it's part of the visa requirement. Where as in Europe it's more common to show up in person and look for jobs, providing you're a citizen of the E.U., I think it may be different for other nationalities.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing with Europe is that there are a lot of teachers around ready to interview in person, so unless 'you' have specialist qualifications or local contacts who have some reason to specifically want 'you,' it's tough. Most reputable schools prefer not to take a chance on someone sight-unseen. There is little need to do this when there are teachers standing on the doorstep, CV in hand, ready to interview in person.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto what Shroob said. For some countries, Russia stands out, the visa barrier makes it really hard to come along on spec. Best to line up even a crappy job first. Otherwise you may face having to exit so as to re-enter a country on the right visa.

Check out immigration requirements well in advance of just turning up.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Job before or after you arrive? Reply with quote

dackinator wrote:
For those who decided to teach abroad, do you secure a job before you arrive or after?
Mixing of verb tenses here makes me wonder what the actual question is -- whether I DID secure a job, or whether I recommend that people nowadays DO.

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To make sure I've got a source of income and don't fly there for nothing.
This is a sensible precaution. Always have an escape route.

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On the other hand most teachers I meet abroad have just turned up and searched for jobs. And for every 1 job advertised online, there are 5 or 6 unadvertised which you would otherwise miss.

Which do you do?
As others have said, it depends on where one goes and what type of teaching you are looking for. Did you have a country in mind? In Japan, the 2 above situations can both work, and each has its own limitations.
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dackinator



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Job before or after you arrive? Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
dackinator wrote:
For those who decided to teach abroad, do you secure a job before you arrive or after?
Mixing of verb tenses here makes me wonder what the actual question is -- whether I DID secure a job, or whether I recommend that people nowadays DO.

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To make sure I've got a source of income and don't fly there for nothing.
This is a sensible precaution. Always have an escape route.

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On the other hand most teachers I meet abroad have just turned up and searched for jobs. And for every 1 job advertised online, there are 5 or 6 unadvertised which you would otherwise miss.

Which do you do?
As others have said, it depends on where one goes and what type of teaching you are looking for. Did you have a country in mind? In Japan, the 2 above situations can both work, and each has its own limitations.

I dont really have any country in mind, I'm curious about peoples habit in general with this, just because the majority of fellow mother tongue teachers I have met abroad have simply rocked up and looked for a job. Although you're right it definitely depends on region, the countries I've worked in were either mediterranean or south american where things are quite "relaxed".
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might also be a question of age / being settled. I wouldn't take off now for somewhere without even the faintest idea if there'd be a job at the other end - if only because I have a house, life, contacts etc here. Even in Europe I've tended to land contracts before leaving for another country.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it's also about the level of qualifications and experience; at the newbie level, generally harder to find something from abroad in some places. With higher-level quals, finding a job in advance becomes more likely.
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