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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: ESL games Reply with quote

I like to use games in the class and I'm wondering if I should do the same in China. Here is a list of what I currently use or have used:

Outburst
Apples To Apples
A To A Junior
Mind Trap
Quiddler
Bananagrams
Would You Rather
You Gotta Be Kidding
25 Words or Less
In a Pickle
Blurt
Origens
Cathy's Cards

I only teach adults and I can structure the games for different levels.

Does anyone else use these in China for adults, uni students, or kids? If so, what has your experience been?

Most of the games rely on playing cards and these can be digitized vs. bringing over the entire bulky game.

Thanks.

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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinese uni students love games. I've never used those listed but the names of some of them suggest that they would be good conversation starters. Anything that gets the students excited but still focused would be good, imo. When I've found that I had under estimated the lesson length, I've played 20 questions and similar ("Is it bigger than my desk?" etc.)

I've found some games in the stuff for teachers/idea cookbook section on Dave's. Most of them are not appropriate for uni students but one game really went well whenever I used it: alibi. It takes half or the whole class period, however. You divide the class into groups of 20 or 12, whichever divides better. Divide the 20 into 5 groups of 4 or the 12 into 4 groups of 3. One of the subgroups is accused of a funny or serious crime at a specified time and place, and leave the room to agree on an alibi. The other groups each take turns interrogating one suspect at a time for a couple of minutes. Then you rotate the suspects until each group has interviewed all suspects in their overall group. The interrogators (police detectives) try to trip up the suspects on details. At the end, each detective group reports on who they believe is the killer, whether one suspect or some or all of them. No "winner" but they get really excited about the reports.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone care to share the working premise of some of your favorite games?
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7969



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used this game way back in the past and it can be fun, but the game can get loud and it really only works with smaller groups that you can manage easily. It can be a good warm up.

Hot Seat - How it Works


1. Students form two teams. One player from each team sits at the front of the class with their back to the blackboard, facing their group. These players are in the �hot seat.�

2. The teacher writes a word on the board, the players in the �hot seat� cannot look at that word. Once we begin, the members of each team try to get their hot seat player to say the word, but the team members cannot say the word, or say any part of the word.

3. If the word is 'library', players could say �We go there to get books� or ask questions such as �Where do students spend a lot of their time?' The team whose member first says the target word wins a point.

4. Teams change the �hot seat� players. After writing the second word on the board, we go again. The game continues until all the words have been used. The first team to reach five points wins the game.
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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For an icebreaker I get all the students to make a big circle with their chairs.

Then write on the board;

Change seats if you;
have long hair
are wearing jeans etc

I stand in the middle and say; eg Change seats if you are wearing glasses and quickly sit down while they run around changing seats.

There is always one person left in the middle and they have to introduce themselves/ say what they did on their holidays/ anything you want.

They then say; change seats if you have...
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeminiTiger wrote:
Anyone care to share the working premise of some of your favorite games?


Sometimes my working premise is: "It's 2pm on a warm April afternoon and the last thing these kids want to do is speak in English."

I don't actually use games much, but as I wrote above, if the class goes through the material faster than expected; or if the material really isn't holding them, I might toss in a quick game.

For 20 Questions: Forming questions that must be answered yes or no; correct use of comparatives; vocabulary for common objects.

For Alibi: Crime vocabulary (pre-taught); question formation; using multiple forms of past tenses (mainly simple past and past progressive/continuous); a pressure to speak situation within a less personal (fantasy) context; using he or she correctly in that high pressure context.

I don't personally go for games all that much, but I see their value, especially if the students enjoy them. Just because they are having fun doesn't mean they aren't learning something.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can adapt many of the popular TV game shows.

a 2- or 3-minute clip from youtube helps explain the rules.
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7969



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried the "Activities and Games" branch of the Teachers Forum?

Teacher Forums

You can read but to post, for some mysterious reason, you need yet another user name and login. If you do visit that forum you'll get kicked out of this one and have to log in here again when you return.
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most of them are not appropriate for uni students but one game really went well whenever I used it: alibi.


I would like to do games, but I am terrible at getting students interested in playing. The younger ones just blurt out the answers instead of playing it like a game, so we have to take turns. If a student doesn't get a point, then they stop wanting to play. It's either a tie game or we have to do some kind of round robin approach, but then the students who are no longer playing aren't actively engaged in the classroom. I have had to make them more activities than games with groups doing the same activity while I walk around the classroom.

With the college students, they tune out when I stop talking and ask others to contribute. They might want to play games too, but how do you get them interested enough to cooperate as a group?

As for the game, are you saying in a class of 30 students, 4 or 5 are suspects? What do the other 25 do? Are they all police officers? Do you have maybe 10 people question one suspect?

What happens when the class runs out of questions? I could easily see 5 questions asked, and then complete silence. Rotate to the new officers, and they would just repeat the 5 questions before (at this point, 5 students will get the idea and think it's boring putting their head down to sleep). Do you give them questions to ask or do you have them think of all the questions?

In China, it seems like students never want to make sentences, at best they will say a word and then assume that is a conversation.

A: What did you do yesterday?
B: Book
A: You read a book?
B: Yea
A: That's, "I read a book"
B: Yea (like they already knew that but have no motivation to actually say it)
A: Ok, so, now you try. Please say the sentence, "I read a book".
B: I read a book
A: Great, let's try with another student. What did you do yesterday?
C: (Wasn't listening before) music.
A: You listened to music?
C: Yea
A: That's, "I listened to music"
C: Yea (like they already knew)
A: Ok, try saying that now, "I listened to music."

Then they repeat, but I have to string them along every word. The senior classes have 2 students that speak and make conversation while 25 just listen. If I call on them, they will speak but very quietly, and I barely hear them and have to ask them to speak up.

I am curious how games are played successfully in classes. I wish there were some videos we could watch for ideas.

Do any of you just say, "Ok, we are going to have a conversation. I will not speak but listen to you for 5-10 minutes". Has this ever worked? I remember in a Japanese and Chinese class, our teachers would do that. However, the same thing happened. Complete silence. We didn't know what to say. I don't feel it helped me either.

What worked was when they gave us a directed conversation to make, like talk about the weather or giving directions. We would work in groups, and I personally enjoyed that. In these college classes, what these students are doing is just writing each person's name like they are not in class to work together but be individually graded. When I ask them to speak, a couple will volunteer and single out each member in their group as opposed to saying, "We ____".

I tried to explain that when you work in a group, the speaker doesn't have to specifically like or not like something because they are speaking for the group. They don't seem to understand this concept.

Are college students just competing with one another so much academically that I should be questioning them and getting replies individually instead of teaming them up?

Since they live in the dorms together, it creates a completely different atmosphere than high school students who still live at home with their parents. There is no 12 hour gap between seeing each other.

So, the effect is like taking a basketball team and telling them to make smaller groups. They don't quite understand the relevance since either they are all on the same team or they are individually preparing to pass a test. It seems like at this college students are not getting graded in groups. Are there other teachers at college also experiencing the same thing?

How do you adjust to this? Do you put up a lot of grammar questions which have a,b,c,d answers and explain the correct one? So far, this is most "harmonious" approach I have used. Everyone writes the answer, listens to me, and then they wait for the next one. I think it is rather boring, but when no one wants to speak or they will only say 1 word as I described above, what do you do for 1.5 hours of class time?
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crag



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you can adapt many of the popular TV game shows.

a 2- or 3-minute clip from youtube helps explain the rules.
Best suggestion on this topic. If you do have the capability to use internet and overhead projector, this will greatly help you engage your students!
Choudoufu, I don't know which clips from youtube you were referring to.. please specify.
Jeopardy is the absolute best TV game show I have used in classrooms ( wildly popular in my experience with high school and univ students especially). But now it seems there are no more free trials, and so you must signup and pay a fee, to use to prescribed games and the jeopardy classroom program. Best of success with that
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crag wrote:
Choudoufu, I don't know which clips from youtube you were referring to.. please specify.


pick any game show and search youtube.

the dating game works well. i usually have classes of 90% girls
plus a few boys who like to sleep in the back row.

they get to be bachelor numbers 1, 2 and 3. the girls can take turns
asking questions at the front, or just allow questions from the entire
studio audience.

and seeing as how the kids live together 24/7, you could probably
do a version of the newlywed game.

hit the 2元 store for lovely departing gifts.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinatimes, that's a long response! As for the game, the students catch on pretty quickly, since it is based on cliche movie and television scenes. It's really not difficult, once you get started the first time. Important for the first time to pre-teach some crime vocabulary, especially the name of the game itself: alibi. I find that the students continue to speak, especially the detectives when they think the have found an inconsistency in the suspects' stories. I have to yell "switch" or whatever to move the suspects along to the next station, else they would be there forever. Here is one of the several, I think, explanations in the "Idea Cookbook" section of games: http://www.eslcafe.com/idea/index.cgi?display:927874509-10974.txt

As for getting them to talk in general, every class can be a little different and students will respond to different teachers differently. But it seems that you are giving them responses to copy instead of eliciting (hey, my TEFL course really paid off!) an answer from them. If they just say "book" for example, to a question about their weekend activities, you could try giving them a silent, quizzical look, or the same look while repeating book in the tone of a question. They'll possibly just spell the word book after repeating it, as opposed to giving you the longer answer, "I read a book." Alternatively, you could ask the wrong follow-up question: "You booked a flight to London?" "You booked a hotel room in Shanghai?" etc. Also you could just state: "I need a full sentence!"

In general, I'd ask more questions and give fewer pat answers. Some students will rarely respond and some lessons work here but not there. Try to build some momentum with the students who respond and try to work in the quieter ones.
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

roadwalker,

Whenever I take someone else's idea, I can never execute it because I don't fully understand the point of it. I create "activities" and I start simple, and then I build.

Is there a way I can do this game with maybe just 2 suspects and let the rest of the class be the "jury"? Let each suspect "phone a friend" in case they can't answer. This way there are 4 people. I am not clear on what the 4 suspects would do outside the classroom, and they would have no clue either.

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They way they do this is by interviewing each of the suspects separately and then comparing the stories to see if they match. So, send the suspects out of the room to try to get their stories straight.


They try to get their stories straight? Wouldn't they want to have their own "alibi"? Why are they working together? I am sorry if I am just completely stupid here, but I can't see how this game is supposed to be played. I can see ways I can fudge the details to do it my way, but is there a simpler game to just get things started? Is my idea of 2 people plausible?

You would want at least 2 right? The class tries to find which one is more likely to have done the crime? What if it just ends up being a popularity contest?

For this reason, I think maybe the class should ask 5 questions, then I would go out with the 2 suspects outside of the classroom and they would give me their answers. I would relay the 10 responses to the class as just "suspect 1" and "suspect 2". This way the class doesn't know which student is the one giving the answer.

They are very reluctant to pick on one of their peers, so if you randomly do things or make it less obvious who is selected then students tend to participate more.

Another question, do you do this for seniors in college? Or is it more geared for the sophomores and freshmen?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only done this activity a few times (but repeated the lesson to several different classes each time) and only to freshmen and sophomores. I don't see where juniors and seniors wouldn't enjoy it, though, having taught both at different times. I have never noticed a "we're too mature for that nonsense" attitude in China.

I'm not sure how your variations would work, but it's worth a try. The way I've done it, and it seems that was the original design, is to give a brief description of some crime that happened: "Saturday morning a primary school student complained to the police that her bicycle was stolen from the sidewalk near the McDonald's down town. Some witnesses pointed to the students in this suspect group (pointing to the group) as acting suspiciously before the bicycle was noticed missing." Then I tell that group that they are all suspected and that the police investigators want to question (interrogate) them about Saturday morning. So that group goes outside to agree on what took place that morning. Five minutes or less later they return to the classroom and are separated so that, if they are four students, they get put into four different detective groups for questioning. Then a minute or two later, they are told to rotate to the next group of detectives. The detectives ask detailed questions of the suspects to try to trip them up.

I've always had room full of excited detectives getting excited in catching the suspects in inconsistencies. And it makes the suspects have to be very clever to answer the questions without going too far. As I originally wrote, it's not really a game to win, although you could add prizes or declare winners, but it is one where the students enjoy speaking and actually get pretty loud. The suspects will never be able to have enough details to have a lock-tight alibi. The detectives enjoy asking questions such as "which bus was that, the number 2 or the number 4? Did you sit in the back or in the front? Which dining hall did you have breakfast at? On the ground floor? Who did you sit next to? Who sat next to Sunny? etc. (teacher is going around correcting English during this time.)

They know it's all fun and games and I've never had any of them insult or bully any student. They really enjoy saying "I think Sunny is guilty because she didn't seem to know what Yoyo ate, while the other suspects said she had won tons. Or "All of them are guilty because they couldn't remember what they did after arriving down town." etc
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't you watch any cop shows when you were younger?

All the bad guys cover for each other,

Bad guy #1 At 3pm we were all at Mickeys house, watching the footie and drinking beers, Liverpool beat Chelsea 2-0

Bad guy #2 At 3pm we were all at Mickeys house drinking beer and watching Titanic, Mickey cried when the ship went down.

whoops !!
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